Originally posted by kmax87Sorry, I don't understand complete gibberish.
I didnt see any dying down of anti Israeli rhetoric though. Should authorities be impressed that when a former murderer feels that he has been rehabilitated enough and should have his demands to be integrated back into society heard and when those authorities refuse the request saying they need a display of self control that shows a true change of heart , so ...[text shortened]... me! You expect fair minded people of any persuasion to be held to ransom by this sort of logic?
Originally posted by no1marauder"They have an aggressive neighbor that insists upon occupying some of their territory and reserves the right to attack them whenever it pleases."
Your ignorance of the situation in Lebanon is lamentable. There is no civil war in Lebanon anymore; there is an elected government which contains many different political viewpoints. They have an aggressive neighbor that insists upon occupying some of their territory and reserves the right to attack them whenever it pleases. They regard Hezbollah as a n ...[text shortened]... erhaps you should read the relevant parts of the link I provided (it's from the Lebanese army).
You mean Syria, right?
Originally posted by no1marauderThanks for your kind condescension. Tired of the ball lets play the man. You honestly could not understand the argument to have replied the way you did. Does that mean you lack comprehensive ability or do you need phonetic help and parenthetical gesticulation to help you over complex ideas?
Sorry, I don't understand complete gibberish.
Originally posted by kmax87It means you should say something tangentially related to the topic of the thread in something approaching clear English.
Thanks for your kind condescension. Tired of the ball lets play the man. You honestly could not understand the argument to have replied the way you did. Does that mean you lack comprehensive ability or do you need phonetic help and parenthetical gesticulation to help you over complex ideas?
Originally posted by no1marauderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehlis_report
Yup, Syria just bombed the s**t out of Lebanon and killed over a 1000 civilians. Good catch, Howard.
"Revealed Edits
The official Mehlis report made no specific mention of anyone in the Syrian government as responsible for the assassination. However, the report was first erroneously released as a Microsoft Word document which preserved changes that had been made in the document since its creation. According to that document, the original U.N. report had specifically named many high-ranking Syrian government and military officials by name as being personally responsible for the death of Rafik Hariri.
For example, a previous editing of the report stated that "Maher al-Assad, Assef Shawkat, Hassan Khalil, Bahjat Suleyman and Jamal al-Sayyed" were behind the killing of Hariri. But in the official version, this is replaced by "senior Lebanese and Syrian officials". Maher al-Assad is the brother of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and Assef Shawqat, a powerful figure within the regime, is his niece. Suleyman is a top Syrian security official and al-Sayyed, the only Lebanese of the four, was formerly the head of Lebanon's General Security Department.
Some suggest that the document indicates the report was altered to remove these names during a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, despite the fact that he had personally stated that this would not happen. Mehlis himself has denied outside influence on the report, and said that Annan did not suggest any changes. The motivation for removing the names is not known.
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Originally posted by no1marauder{a former murderer feels that he has been rehabilitated }
It means you should say something tangentially related to the topic of the thread in something approaching clear English.
explanation:- the tangential aside involves an analogy of a murderer ;ie someone who exacts vengence or justice outside of the law, which is in my not so humble opinion a reasonable enough metaphor for a terrorist organisation that sees random acts of violence as a legitimate means of political agitation
{enough and should have his demands to be integrated back into society
heard and when those authorities refuse the request saying they need a display of self control that shows a true change of heart}
explanation:-three or so years of inactivity is hardly a model of consistency considering the history of violence between the two sides
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{so then to prove the worthiness of the claim the ex murderer goes and kills another person to affirm to the authorities that he will not give up his right to claim for a full integration back into that society}
explanation:- the recent spate of rocket attacks
{ and if his demands are not met heads will roll}
explanation:- the current environment of state brinkmanship and tension.
I hope that you can follow the tangent to a point in space from which to find an arc back to the reality of the curve in question.
Originally posted by kmax87Put .... down .... the ..... bong
{a former murderer feels that he has been rehabilitated }
explanation:- the tangential aside involves an analogy of a murderer ;ie someone who exacts vengence or justice outside of the law, which is in my not so humble opinion a reasonable enough metaphor for a terrorist organisation that sees random acts of violence as a legitimate means of political agi ...[text shortened]... gent to a point in space from which to find an arc back to the reality of the curve in question.
Originally posted by kmax87Plain ignorance, pure and simple. Here's a pop quiz:
{a former murderer feels that he has been rehabilitated }
explanation:- the tangential aside involves an analogy of a murderer ;ie someone who exacts vengence or justice outside of the law, which is in my not so humble opinion a reasonable enough metaphor for a terrorist organisation that sees random acts of violence as a legitimate means of political agi ...[text shortened]... gent to a point in space from which to find an arc back to the reality of the curve in question.
1) When was Hezbollah founded in Lebanon? In reaction to what?;
2) What occurred in 2000 that might cause a lessening of hostilities?;
3) What recent events preceded the "spate of rocket attacks" (immediately)?
4) A terrorist organization is one that commits acts of terrorism. The Israeli government qualifies according to AI; what events since 2000 show Hezbollah to be a 'terrorist organization"?
Originally posted by zeeblebotGee, what has happened to that "investigation"? A couple of years and still no evidence linking Syria to the assassination. A lot of propaganda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehlis_report
"Revealed Edits
The official Mehlis report made no specific mention of anyone in the Syrian government as responsible for the assassination. However, the report was first erroneously released as a Microsoft Word document which preserved changes that had been made in the document since its creation. According t ...[text shortened]... Annan did not suggest any changes. The motivation for removing the names is not known.
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Originally posted by no1marauderAt least I have my own opinion and dont need to stoop to rabid anti Israeli sentiment as championed by Noam Chomsky or one of his acolytes Dr Tanya Reinhart. If I wanted to belong to something I wouldnt choose stand4truth.org either.
Plain ignorance, pure and simple. Here's a pop quiz:
1) When was Hezbollah founded in Lebanon? In reaction to what?;
2) What occurred in 2000 that might cause a lessening of hostilities?;
3) What recent events preceded the "spate of rocket attacks" (immediately)?
4) A terrorist organization is one that commi ...[text shortened]... es according to AI; what events since 2000 show Hezbollah to be a 'terrorist organization"?
1) 1982, because of Israel invading Lebanon
2) Israel withdrew from the Lebanon
3) This is a synopsis of an anti-US/Israel blog called counterpunch, which details events quite in detail from about the beginning of the year.
Depends if you want a pro or anti israeli position but generally you could cite either the capture of an Israeli corporal by Hamas led militants on the 25th of June or the killing and capture of Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah on July 12th. Significantly though you could include Hamas being elected into office in January as having precipitated some of this horror. Or you could cite that since the Israeli withdrawal of its citizens from the Gaza strip last year, qaasam rockets have been fired in their retreating direction. Up until now since September of last year the rockets number about 1000.
From January this year
The containment of Palestine subsequent to the election of a government dedicated to a policy of no recognition, no negotiation and wanting no peace with Israel.
The refusal to pass on $50 mill in customs and tax revenues to the PA through February.
In April the US and the EU cut off aid to the PA for failure of Hamas to recognise Israel.
In May starved of funds and food bloody skirmishes break out between Fatah and Hamas and the IDF attacks and kills 4 Palestinians entering the Gaza after an eight month absence.
June 8 IDF launches midnight missile attack in southern Gaza killing 4 Palestinian members of the PRC.
June 9 in response to Israeli missile attacks Palestinian militants fire qassam rockets into israel without any casualty. Return Israeli artillery kills seven including a Palestinian family with their three children on a Gaza beach. Other IDF rocket attacks kill another 9 Palestinians.
Tit for tat fighting until June 25 and Corporal Shalit is captured, the Palestinians holding him for ransom for a shopping list of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons.
June 30 IDF warplanes strike the Palestinian Interior Ministry. July through to the 12th Olmert vows to make Palestinians life miserable until Shalit is returned. As Israel intensifies its actions against the Palestinians, Hizbullah responds to Israel's tactics of demanding by force that the Palestinians give their corporal back by directing a unit of its militia to engage in border skirmishes with Israeli troops. Hizbullah kill 3 IDF and capture 2. As the IDF follows the militia into the Lebanon 5 more IDF are killed.
July 13 Hizbullah start firing Katyusha rockets into Israel as the IDF launches into a full scale military response.
Originally posted by no1marauder4) This is from the official Jewish-Australian website, which is a list of Hizbullah terror activity since 2000..
Plain ignorance, pure and simple. Here's a pop quiz:
1) When was Hezbollah founded in Lebanon? In reaction to what?;
2) What occurred in 2000 that might cause a lessening of hostilities?;
3) What recent events preceded the "spate of rocket attacks" (immediately)?
4) A terrorist organization is one that commi ...[text shortened]... es according to AI; what events since 2000 show Hezbollah to be a 'terrorist organization"?
7 Oct 2000 - Kidnapping: Three IDF soldiers: Adi Avitan, Omer Soued and Binyamin Avraham were kidnapped by the Hezbollah from the Mt. Dov sector.
26 Nov 2000 - A charge was detonated near an IDF convoy. IDF soldier Khalil Taher was killed and two other soldiers were wounded.
16 Feb 2001- Fire at an IDF convoy on Mt. Dov. IDF soldier Elad Shneor was killed, and three other soldiers were wounded.
1 Apr 2001 - A 42 year-old Israeli woman was stabbed to death in Haifa. Her murder was the initiation rite of a terrorist cell, whose members were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder, originally thought to be criminally motivated, were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of one of the terrorists into the organization.
14 Apr 2001 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Elad Litvak was killed.
28 Apr 2001 - A 60 year-old Israeli man was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba'aneh, near Carmiel in Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of the organization.
7 Aug 2001 - Two houses belonging to senior members of the former Israeli-allied South Lebanon Army militia were blown up using explosive devices. One of the houses belonged to Robin Abboud; the other to Samir Raslan. Hezbollah is suspected.
12 Mar 2002 - Infiltration: In a shooting attack on the Shlomi- Metzuba route. Six Israelis civilians were killed, among them IDF officer Lt. German Rojkov.
29 Aug 2002 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Ofer Misali was killed, and two other soldiers were lightly wounded.
6 Jan 2003 - Hezbollah fired anti aircraft shells in the vicinity of Birait in the western sector of the Lebanese border. No one was hurt and no damage was caused.
22 Mar 2003 - Hezbollah fired rockets and mortars at Israeli army positions in the Sheba' farms and adjacent areas. This attack followed eight incursions into Lebanese airspace by Israeli aircraft.
5 May 2003 - A cycle of armed exchanges across the Blue Line began. Israel carried out more than 20 air sorties over the country. Subsequently, Hezbollah fired several anti-aircraft rounds with shrapnel landing inside Israel.
7 May 2003 - Hezbollah attacked IDF positions in the Sheba' farms with heavy rocket, mortar, and small arms fire. One Israeli soldier was killed and five others were wounded in the attack. Lebanese authorities asserted that the Hezbollah firing had been preceded by an Israeli army foot patrol crossing the Blue Line.
20 Jul 2003 - Hezbollah snipers fired on an Israeli outpost near Chetula, killing two Israeli soldiers. The IDF retaliated with tank fire directed at a Hezbollah position, killing one operative manning the post. That night, there were multiple Israeli flights over Lebanon, two of which generated powerful sonic booms over Beirut.
10 Aug 2003 - Haviv Dadon, 16, of Shlomi, was struck in the chest and killed by shrapnel from an anti-aircraft shell fired by Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. Four others were wounded.
6 Oct 2003 - Staff Sgt. David Solomonov was killed when Hezbollah fired at an IDF force south of the =46atma Gate in the eastern sector. In addition, the Hezbollah fired missiles and rockets at an IDF post in the Reches Ramim area.
19 Jan 2004 - An anti-tank missile was fired at IDF D9 while neutralizing explosive charges near Zari't. An IDF soldier, Yan Rotzenski, was killed and another soldier was severely wounded.
7 May 2004 - Fire in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Dennis Leminov was killed, and two other soldiers were severely wounded. The IDF returned fire.
20 Jul 2004 - Hezbollah sniper fired at an IDF post in the western sector of the Israeli-Lebanese border. Two IDF soldiers were killed.
9 Jan 2005 - An explosive device was detonated against an IDF patrol at Nahal Sion. One Israeli soldier was killed, and a UN officer was killed.
7 Apr 2005 - Two Israeli-Arabs from the village of Rajar near the Israel-Lebanon border were kidnapped by Hezbollah operatives and held in captivity for four days. The men, identified as Muki Ben-Jamal and Nuef Maharj Ben-Ali, said they were interrogated by their captors who wanted information on Israel. They were later released. Israeli officials did not believe that any security information had been compromised.
24 Apr 2005 - Several explosive devices exploded near the Lebanese-Israeli border, in the Mount Dov area. Officials believe the devices were planted by Hezbollah, but this was not confirmed. No injuries were reported in the explosions.
29 Jun 2005 - More than 20 mortars were fired from across the border. Cpl. Uzi Peretz of the Golani Brigade was killed and four soldiers wounded, including the unit's doctor. Fire was exchanged and helicopters and planes attacked five Hezbollah outposts in the Reches Ramim area.
21 Nov 2005 - An attempt to kidnap an IDF soldier was foiled when paratroopers patrolling near Rajar village discerned a Hezbollah unit approaching. Private David Markovitz opened fire, killing all four. In a heavy attack of mortars and Katyusha rockets that ensued, nine soldiers and and two civilians were injured.
27 Dec 2005 - A branch of a Palestinian organization connected to Al-Qaida fired 6 Katyushas, damaging a house in Kiryat Shmona and a house in Metulla. In response, the IAF attacked a training base of the Popular Front, south of Beirut
27 May 2006 - An IDF soldier was wounded when Katyushas were fired at an army base at Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee.