Originally posted by no1marauderOff topic.
It [Anti-Semitism] is ingrained in a certain brand of [Christian] culture. It is certainly not a modern phenomenon. It has been present from the beginning of [Christianity]. [Paul] fought the Jews in his time and hence stems the [Christian] brand of anti-Semitism.
How would you characterize these statements, Ivanhoe?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThanks for pointing this out to me. I plead guilty. It is remarkable you associate this fallacy in reasoning, the Straw Man, with the Marauder.
Here you are doing something that you frequently accuse no1marauder of doing. I'm not sure what the technical term would be. In any case, I'm sure you understand the difference in meaning between "became marked after 1948" and "did not exist before 1948".
Originally posted by Bosse de NageFair enough .....
I would not say "Hamas is anti-Semitic" like I would not say that "Israel is a Zionist state". I'm sure that's enough to earn me the derision of both sides. However these organisations do cite anti-Semitic texts in pursuit of their political goals and I'm fairly certain that a great many of their members profess anti-Semitic ideas.
Originally posted by ivanhoeActually what he said was: "Here you are doing something that you frequently accuse no1marauder of doing.
Thanks for pointing this out to me. I plead guilty. It is remarkable you associate this fallacy in reasoning, the Straw Man, with the Marauder.
The fact that you "frequently accuse" someone of doing something, does not mean that BDN "associates this fallacy in reasoning" to them - it simply means that BDN is calling you a hypocrite.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThe only "topic" of this thread is the same topic as virtually all your threads; to whip up anti-Muslim feeling. But your comment directed at Muslims could be just as validly, if not more so, directed at Christians. So the reasoning in it is obviously flawed, unless you also want a Holy War against Christians.
Off topic.
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Originally posted by no1marauderOops ..... is he ?
Actually what he said was: "Here you are doing something that [b]you frequently accuse no1marauder of doing.
The fact that you "frequently accuse" someone of doing something, does not mean that BDN "associates this fallacy in reasoning" to them - it simply means that BDN is calling you a hypocrite.[/b]
Originally posted by no1marauderYou seem to miss the distinction I make in my reasoning between Islam, Political Islamism and Jihadism.
The only "topic" of this thread is the same topic as virtually all your threads; to whip up anti-Muslim feeling. But your comment directed at Muslims could be just as validly, if not more so, directed at Christians. So the reasoning in it is obviously flawed, unless you also want a Holy War against Christians.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI've missed the "reasoning" part altogether; all I normally see are cut and pastes and links with little discussion.
You seem to miss the distinction I make in my reasoning between Islam, Political Islamism and Jihadism.
I concede that the leadership of certain groups of Muslims is anti-Semitic towards Jews and believes a lot of foolish rot. The real problem is that these such groups been able to massively increase their popularity among the Muslim populace in recent years. The real issue should be how this popularity can be reduced. I submit the present policies of Israel and the West esp. the US is increasing their popularity and that policies geared to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian dispute and becoming less involved in the internal affairs of Muslim states would be helpful in decreasing their political strength. Do you disagree?
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Originally posted by no1maraudermarauder: "I concede that the leadership of certain groups of Muslims is anti-Semitic towards Jews and believes a lot of foolish rot."
I've missed the "reasoning" part altogether; all I normally see are cut and pastes and links with little discussion.
I concede that the leadership of certain groups of Muslims is anti-Semitic towards Jews and believes a lot of foolish rot. The real problem is that these such groups been able to massively increase their popularity among t ...[text shortened]... rs of Muslim states would be helpful in decreasing their political strength. Do you disagree?
At last we agree on that one. It is the subject of this thread.
The rest is off topic.
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo the topic of this thread only has to do with whether some Muslims are anti-Semitic towards Jews?
marauder: "I concede that the leadership of certain groups of Muslims is anti-Semitic towards Jews and believes a lot of foolish rot."
At last we agree on that one. It is the subject of this thread.
The rest is off topic.
Originally posted by ivanhoeBut you refuse to discuss anything BUT whether they are "anti-Semitic"? How is this a "Debate" thread? It is only another propaganda vehicle. It might have some relevance if you would discuss how and why these particular groups have become so popular in the Muslim world, but you insist that that is "off topic".
Again you're forgetting the distiction I make between Muslims and Jihadists. In this thread I'm talking about organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran, Jihadist entities.
So rave on I guess; since you absolutely refuse to discuss why the probable anti-Semitism towards Jews of some of the leaders of such organizations has any real world implications. Just keep screaming "XYZ are Anti-Semites!" that is certainly a useful way to "debate".