24 Apr 21
For the first time in quite a while:
On Monday, the F.B.I. released preliminary statistics showing a major increase in murder last year, with a 25 percent rise in agencies that reported quarterly data. The F.B.I. did not receive data from several cities with known big increases in murder like New York, Chicago and New Orleans, but cities of all sizes reported increases of greater than 20 percent.
A 25 percent increase in murder in 2020 would mean the United States surpassed 20,000 murders in a year for the first time since 1995. (The final official numbers for 2020 will not be released until late September.)
Although it’s not clear what has caused the spike in murder, some possibilities are the various stresses of the pandemic; the surge in gun sales during the crisis; and less belief in police legitimacy related to protests over police brutality.
The trend in the early months this year is not necessarily indicative of where things will end up in 2021. Most obviously, the pandemic may mostly recede by summer because of widespread vaccination, and a broad reopening of public life may change the dynamic that has led to the rise in violence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/upshot/murder-rate-usa.html
What do you think the cause of all of this is?
Have the guns been whispering to their owners again, like they were in the nineties, getting them to kill..?
@earl-of-trumps saidThey certainly will after they defund the police.
I think liberals change their mind about owning guns.
@philokalia saidThe unchecked availability of guns will be the answer regardless of which decade you pose the question to.
For the first time in quite a while:
[quote]On Monday, the F.B.I. released preliminary statistics showing a major increase in murder last year, with a 25 percent rise in agencies that reported quarterly data. The F.B.I. did not receive data from several cities with known big increases in murder like New York, Chicago and New Orleans, but cities of all sizes reported inc ...[text shortened]... guns been whispering to their owners again, like they were in the nineties, getting them to kill..?
It’s not rocket science is it, the USA is an inherently violent society and when you couple that with easy access to guns you get the kind of figures quoted in your link.
So you have to either somehow make yourselves less violent or restrict your ability to harm each other.
I think Canada has about the same per capita rate of gun ownership but nothing like the rate of violent gun related deaths. If you can figure out why that is and fix it gun ownership would much less of an issue.
@kevcvs57 saidcanada doesnt keep their black population agitated they way dems do
The unchecked availability of guns will be the answer regardless of which decade you pose the question to.
It’s not rocket science is it, the USA is an inherently violent society and when you couple that with easy access to guns you get the kind of figures quoted in your link.
So you have to either somehow make yourselves less violent or restrict your ability to harm each ...[text shortened]... ated deaths. If you can figure out why that is and fix it gun ownership would much less of an issue.
24 Apr 21
@mott-the-hoople saidHahaha yeah that’s right it’s them damn liberals that are causing all the bother in the US. Let’s forget the inconvenient fact that Canada is way more liberal than the US.
canada doesnt keep their black population agitated they way dems do
No it’s definitely the Republican Trump supporters that are dragging the US to the brink of civil war.
@mott-the-hoople saidIt's kinda obvious the canadians never allowed for the creation of african canadian super welfare camps. Instant Ghettos.
canada doesnt keep their black population agitated they way dems do
In america, millions of african american kids grow up without a father and spend a lifetime of hell
dealing with drugs and violence, and the po-leese in their welfare city. Yes, they're bitter. No, dems don't care.
26 Apr 21
@kevcvs57 saidIf guns are responsible for it, why is it the case that there are parts of the United States, where gun ownership is common, that have lower murder rates than places like Stockholm, Sweden?
The unchecked availability of guns will be the answer regardless of which decade you pose the question to.
It’s not rocket science is it, the USA is an inherently violent society and when you couple that with easy access to guns you get the kind of figures quoted in your link.
So you have to either somehow make yourselves less violent or restrict your ability to harm each ...[text shortened]... ated deaths. If you can figure out why that is and fix it gun ownership would much less of an issue.
Why is it also the case that there was a pandemic of murders throughout the late eighties and early nineties in the US, when there was nothing special about gun ownership at that time?
@Philokalia
Just tagging on here...
I believe there was a time when it was mandatory for homeowners in Switzerland to own a gun.
There of course, was a very low murder rate. (moonbus, where art thee?)
26 Apr 21
@kevcvs57 saidRealism, or Idealism? Pick one Kev. You libs.......
The unchecked availability of guns will be the answer regardless of which decade you pose the question to.
It’s not rocket science is it, the USA is an inherently violent society and when you couple that with easy access to guns you get the kind of figures quoted in your link.
So you have to either somehow make yourselves less violent or restrict your ability to harm each ...[text shortened]... ated deaths. If you can figure out why that is and fix it gun ownership would much less of an issue.
27 Apr 21
@earl-of-trumps saidThat's right... Exactly right.
@Philokalia
Just tagging on here...
I believe there was a time when it was mandatory for homeowners in Switzerland to own a gun.
There of course, was a very low murder rate. (moonbus, where art thee?)
But nobody will discuss it because they want to only play in their walnut-sized frame of worldview.
@philokalia saidWere the victims of this pandemic killed with guns?
If guns are responsible for it, why is it the case that there are parts of the United States, where gun ownership is common, that have lower murder rates than places like Stockholm, Sweden?
Why is it also the case that there was a pandemic of murders throughout the late eighties and early nineties in the US, when there was nothing special about gun ownership at that time?
Did you miss the point that it’s a combination of guns and an inherently violent society. Just look at the police murders of unarmed civilians it tells you everything you need to know about the sickness at the heart of the US gun culture.
@kevcvs57 - said
"... it tells you everything you need to know about the sickness at the heart of the US gun culture.
And what the Khmer Rouge did to the Cambodian people tells you everything you need to know
about the sickness of the Communist culture and why the civilian populations need to own guns.
The long and short of it is people are evil people.
28 Apr 21
@kevcvs57 saidSo you agree that guns by themselves do not equal out to there being elevated murders, but there must be other factors... Like, the person in question partakes of violent culture, yes?
Were the victims of this pandemic killed with guns?
Did you miss the point that it’s a combination of guns and an inherently violent society. Just look at the police murders of unarmed civilians it tells you everything you need to know about the sickness at the heart of the US gun culture.
28 Apr 21
1 edit
@earl-of-trumps saidNo that was a direct result of the intervention and war mongering in the region by the capitalist USA.
@kevcvs57 - said
"... it tells you everything you need to know about the sickness at the heart of the US gun culture.
And what the Khmer Rouge did to the Cambodian people tells you everything you need to know
about the sickness of the Communist culture and why the civilian populations need to own guns.
The long and short of it is people are evil people.
Grow up and take some responsibility for what’s done under your flag to export your cowboy capitalism.
This BS McCarthy witch-hunt of yours didn’t work the last time and it won’t work this time. It just makes you look deranged.