@no1marauder saidNot the issue
Only about half of Federal revenue comes from the income tax while over third comes from payroll taxes that most of the wealthy's income is exempt from:
https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-does-the-us-federal-government-collect/country/united-states/
@AverageJoe1 saidAJ: Approximately 40% of US households pay no federal individual income tax. The remaining 60% cover the entirety of the system.
Not the issue
That's a falsehood. I'm not going to let you get away with telling obvious untruths and then trying to limit the discussion to only one aspect of the revenue (and a minority at that) raised for "the system" as you put it.
It is the issue and you are being dishonest.
@AverageJoe1 saidTotal revenue raised for "the system" in the US approached $9 trillion last year. https://www.bea.gov/data/government/receipts-and-expenditures
Not the issue
Not even 30% of that was raised by Federal income taxes.
@no1marauder saidWe can all acknowledge that there are various aspects and levels of taxation in the United States. I expect there have been a few books written about it, and a few congressional records and bills and statutes, and town councils, and county tag offices,… Many taxes.
AJ: Approximately 40% of US households pay no federal individual income tax. The remaining 60% cover the entirety of the system.
That's a falsehood. I'm not going to let you get away with telling obvious untruths and then trying to limit the discussion to only one aspect of the revenue (and a minority at that) raised for "the system" as you put it.
It is the issue and you are being dishonest.
Marauder, you seem to want to discuss all aspects of taxes? Is that right, cause I can’t do that. I’m not smart enough about taxes. But I do know that 40% of the US citizens do not pay “ federal income taxes”., which is easy to discuss. I’m not saying that’s wrong, I’m just saying that 40% live off of us.
So where do we go from here? I guess the only place for you to go is to say that these 40% need to have more Money? . That is what Wildgrass says.
So, an interesting place to begin a discussion??
@AverageJoe1 saidAJ: I’m just saying that 40% live off of us.
We can all acknowledge that there are various aspects and levels of taxation in the United States. I expect there have been a few books written about it, and a few congressional records and bills and statutes, and town councils, and county tag offices,… Many taxes.
Marauder, you seem to want to discuss all aspects of taxes? Is that right, cause I can’t do that. I’m ...[text shortened]... ave more Money? . That is what Wildgrass says.
So, an interesting place to begin a discussion??
Which is completely untrue, so stop saying it.
@no1marauder saidCould be, I would not know because the amount of actual dollars collected is totally irrelevant to the concept of this discussion.
Total revenue raised for "the system" in the US approached $9 trillion last year. https://www.bea.gov/data/government/receipts-and-expenditures
Not even 30% of that was raised by Federal income taxes.
Search UK in on 30%, then we can go with percentages. What percent should be charged to the has taxpayer in the USA I think we can sort of agree 40% is the universal number that is kicked around. Can you answer that without talking about Tax breaks, or Donald Trump.?
@no1marauder saidI am isolating the question strictly to federal income tax payments. It is factually correct to say that people who pay no federal income tax are being financially supported, in that specific category, by those who do pay it.
AJ: I’m just saying that 40% live off of us.
Which is completely untrue, so stop saying it.
Why can you not just say that that is true. A contrarian to the core. I would find no satisfaction in that, sometimes I feel good about agreeing with someone on points that are debatable.
The citizenswho pay no federal income tax are not contributing to govt revenue stream, but they still benefiting from federal government operations funded by those who doo
@AverageJoe1 saidTotal dollars collected might be, but the fact that revenue from the Federal income tax is only 30% of the total is for refuting your claims that 40% live off the other 60% because they don't pay Federal income taxes.
Could be, I would not know because the amount of actual dollars collected is totally irrelevant to the concept of this discussion.
Search UK in on 30%, then we can go with percentages. What percent should be charged to the has taxpayer in the USA I think we can sort of agree 40% is the universal number that is kicked around. Can you answer that without talking about Tax breaks, or Donald Trump.?
That is why you don't want to discuss it.
40% of what? As a percentage of income that the 1% or higher should pay in taxes? Seems a bit low if that's what you are talking about given the expenditures that the right wing insists on.
@AverageJoe1 saidAJ: The citizens who pay no federal income tax are not contributing to govt revenue stream, but they still benefiting from federal government operations funded by those who doo
I am isolating the question strictly to federal income tax payments. It is factually correct to say that people who pay no federal income tax are being financially supported, in that specific category, by those who do pay it.
Why can you not just say that that is true. A contrarian to the core. I would find no satisfaction in that, sometimes I feel good about agree ...[text shortened]... revenue stream, but they still benefiting from federal government operations funded by those who doo
How many times do I have to show this statement is false? 50% of Federal revenue is raised by other taxes that they do pay either directly (payroll taxes) or indirectly (tariff revenue for one).
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@no1marauder saidOTHER TAXES!!!!!!!😵💫😡🤬
AJ: The citizens who pay no federal income tax are not contributing to govt revenue stream, but they still benefiting from federal government operations funded by those who doo
How many times do I have to show this statement is false? 50% of Federal revenue is raised by other taxes that they do pay either directly (payroll taxes) or indirectly (tariff revenue for one).
OTHER!!!!!!!
(Scene: we all come in from a dove shoot😉 “ hey average Joe, we all shot 15 birds apiece…. How did you do ?? “Well, I got 8 dove, but I shot 11 ducks coming out of the pond, so I have a total of 19!!!”
“Sorry, Joe, this is a dove shoot. You have a total of Eight dove. You seem to be rationalizing like your friend marauder whom you have told us about.!!!!!”
“Give your ducks to the gamekeeper.”
Footnote: we never use words like whom on a dove shoot
@AverageJoe1 saidAre paying other taxes "contributing to govt revenue stream"?
OTHER TAXES!!!!!!!😵💫😡🤬
OTHER!!!!!!!
(Scene: we all come in from a dove shoot😉 “ hey average Joe, we all shot 15 birds apiece…. How did you do ?? “Well, I got 8 dove, but I shot 11 ducks coming out of the pond, so I have a total of 19!!!”
“Sorry, Joe, this is a dove shoot. You have a total of Eight dove. You seem to be rationalizing like your friend marau ...[text shortened]... !!!”
“Give your ducks to the gamekeeper.”
Footnote: we never use words like whom on a dove shoot
A yes or no will do.
@no1marauder saidYes, all taxes of every Nature, even taxes on your Taylor Swift ticket that you get I’m sure, go to the government to fund things like welfare, NYC slums for illegals , and the military, and everything in between. Even Susie know that… why would you ask such a question of average Joe? Let’s stipulate!!!
Are paying other taxes "contributing to govt revenue stream"?
A yes or no will do.
I’m not so sure that Sunhouse knows it though.
You know, a dove tastes a lot like a duck, but they are not the same. Not the same. Like taxes. All different.
@AverageJoe1 saidIf Taylor Swift has such a problem with getting taxed by liberals why does she own a home in Beverly Hills?
Yes, all taxes of every Nature, even taxes on your Taylor Swift ticket that you get I’m sure, go to the government to fund things like welfare, NYC slums for illegals , and the military, and everything in between. Even Susie know that… why would you ask such a question of average Joe? Let’s stipulate!!!
I’m not so sure that Sunhouse knows it though.
You know, ...[text shortened]... ove tastes a lot like a duck, but they are not the same. Not the same. Like taxes. All different.
@AverageJoe1 saidThen stop saying this:
Yes, all taxes of every Nature, even taxes on your Taylor Swift ticket that you get I’m sure, go to the government to fund things like welfare, NYC slums for illegals , and the military, and everything in between. Even Susie know that… why would you ask such a question of average Joe? Let’s stipulate!!!
I’m not so sure that Sunhouse knows it though.
You know, ...[text shortened]... ove tastes a lot like a duck, but they are not the same. Not the same. Like taxes. All different.
AJ: The citizens who pay no federal income tax are not contributing to govt revenue stream,
@AThousandYoung saidSettle thousand. If liberals were not allowed to be wealthy, there would be no rich democrats. Go chew on your pillow.
If Taylor Swift has such a problem with getting taxed by liberals why does she own a home in Beverly Hills?
And hey, Mr short-sighted, Living in an expensive area does not contradict supporting higher taxes. You fellers just do not think, you blow up like Sonhouse. At least you don't write to yourselves like he does.
BTW, just cause she may live in B Hills, does not mean that she opposes taxes, Me, and Taylor ( I call her Tay), are grown up and expect to pay taxes.
Hey, have you seen Marauder doing he LIB DANCE about who pays federal income tax. His jitterbug has worn me out, I am drinking rum.