Trump Caves

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
He didn't quote the headline. But you're right. The left wing propaganda machine--also without virtue--insulted him as well. Good catch.

FOX Propaganda is left wing ??

Originally posted by @deepthought
I've been thinking about this, one might give recognition that he didn't dig his feet in for any longer, but I'm not sure a round of applause is in order either. I'm left wondering about the timing however. The US has just withdrawn from UNHRC and apparently not because the last three letters are the same as the initials of his Democratic Party rival ...[text shortened]... s is to fend off international criticism aimed at undermining the credibility of the UNHRC move.

That's overthinking it. The polls showed the family separation policy was wildly unpopular by about a 2:1 margin. There's a Congressional election in less than 5 months and I doubt Republicans wanted to go back before their constituents with kids in cages still in the news. There's even some indication that Melania and Ivanka Trump were pushing the Donald on this. And it had become clear that the Republican Congress was too split to enact a simple law to end the policy, so Trump and the rest weren't going to get bailed out that way.

Trump really doesn't seem to care about international criticism and had signaled he was going to leave the UNHRC a long time ago. The timing suggests a tantrum after some members of that body publicly condemned the family separation policy, but withdrawal was a foregone conclusion.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The fact that Trump had to go around our gridlocked Congress and write an executive order, demonstrates the legality of what was happening.

Did you get a load of those poor caged children, piled up like sardines sleeping on the floor at the Nogales facility? Oh wait, that was going on in 2014. No outrage from any of you.

We get it.
The rule of law allowed for parents and children to be separated.
And yes, it probably happened under a previous administration on a much smaller scale.
And it is discretionary under the president.
Obama didn't use his discretion to make this happen.
It happened under his watch while some border staff carried their duties under rule of law.

What is different here is that this administration used their discretion to implement this fiasco for political scoring points for 2018 midterm elections.
That is the stench permeating DC these days.

And this blew up in Trump's face big time !!
His own daughter was lecturing him for crying out loud !!

Originally posted by @mghrn55
We get it.
The rule of law allowed for parents and children to be separated.
And yes, it probably happened under a previous administration on a much smaller scale.
And it is discretionary under the president.
Obama didn't use his discretion to make this happen.
It happened under his watch while some border staff carried their duties under rule of law. ...[text shortened]... s blew up in Trump's face big time !!
His own daughter was lecturing him for crying out loud !!

Essentially you are saying this:

It's fine that Obama caged children, because they weren't apprehended along with adults who allege to be their parents. It's child abuse if Trump does the same thing, solely for the reason that the children were apprehended along with people who allege to be their parents.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Essentially you are saying this:

It's fine that Obama caged children, because they weren't apprehended along with adults who allege to be their parents. It's child abuse if Trump does the same thing, solely for the reason that the children were apprehended along with people who allege to be their parents.

Or:

It's worse to separate children from their parents then detain unaccompanied children.

Originally posted by @no1marauder
Or:

It's worse to separate children from their parents then detain unaccompanied children.

Or:

It's worse to separate children from the adult criminals that allege to be their parents, than to detain unaccompanied children. And since it's worse, the former deserves global outrage and the latter deserves the chirping of crickets at best.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Or:

It's worse to separate children from the adult criminals that allege to be their parents, than to detain unaccompanied children. And since it's worse, the former deserves global outrage and the latter deserves the chirping of crickets at best.

Aaaaand there's the conspiracy theory - tainted with more whataboutism.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Or:

It's worse to separate children from the adult criminals that allege to be their parents, than to detain unaccompanied children. And since it's worse, the former deserves global outrage and the latter deserves the chirping of crickets at best.

I'm confused; do you support the policy of separating children from their parents or not?

People charged with minor misdemeanors as first time offenders rarely get their children taken away BTW.

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
Aaaaand there's the conspiracy theory - tainted with more whataboutism.

Nope. Sorry. It's a fact. The "guardians" shall we say, often cannot be proven to be the parents of the children.

Anyway, the talking point is done, the executive order was signed because Congress wouldn't act, and now you can move on to the next talking point. You should continue to concentrate your faux outrage on matters that involve children. That one seemed to work. The one involving the hussy porn star didn't last long. Manafort going to jail over crimes committed 12 years ago doesn't seem to have worked. Oh well. You'll find something.

Originally posted by @no1marauder
I'm confused; do you support the policy of separating children from their parents or not?

People charged with minor misdemeanors as first time offenders rarely get their children taken away BTW.

If you paid attention, I already said long ago that if it were up to me, I wouldn't do it... although out of concern for the children's safety, I would hesitate putting children in adult detention centers because they could get abused or raped. I see you have no problem with that, as long as damage is done to Trump in the process.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
If you paid attention, I already said long ago that if it were up to me, I wouldn't do it... although out of concern for the children's safety, I would hesitate putting children in adult detention centers because they could get abused or raped. I see you have no problem with that, as long as damage is done to Trump in the process.

Is that what Trump's EO does; put these kids in adult detention centers where they can be abused and/or raped? That's just terrible.

Or could there possibly be other options that haven't crossed your mind?

Originally posted by @no1marauder
Is that what Trump's EO does; put these kids in adult detention centers where they can be abused and/or raped? That's just terrible.

Or could there possibly be other options that haven't crossed your mind?

Sure. Again, like I've said. I support building air conditioned, private housing stocked with food. It's just a matter of money, and the kids are what's important.

You on the other hand, promote and encourage conditions that could lead to child rape. Shame on you.

Originally posted by @no1marauder
That was quick:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Why didn't Obama?

Originally posted by @whodey
Why didn't Obama?

If you want an honest answer, it's because the left wing progressive™ socialist mob didn't go into full-blown fake outrage when Obama was caging children. So he didn't feel any political pressure to act.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Nope. Sorry. It's a fact. The "guardians" shall we say, often cannot be proven to be the parents of the children.

Anyway, the talking point is done, the executive order was signed because Congress wouldn't act, and now you can move on to the next talking point. You should continue to concentrate your faux outrage on matters that involve children ...[text shortened]... ver crimes committed 12 years ago doesn't seem to have worked. Oh well. You'll find something.

The "guardians" shall we say, often cannot be proven to be the parents of the children.

Unless the children are adopted that is pretty easy to do.