https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/world-leaders-react-us-attack-iran-2025-06-22/
The fit hits the shan now. So when will the retaliations begin? Proxies attack? Those hypersonic missiles don't have the range to directly attack the US and they can't carry nukes but they hit the ground doing 10,000 miles an hour, 2 miles a second and our defenses cannot stop all of them so will Iran divert some to American bases in Iraq for instance? Or will they think if they do Trump will retaliate even more than bombing the nuke sites buried 300 feet underground.
50 50 looks like.
So was Iran playing Trump? 10 years ago there was a deal with verification so Trump didn't want ANYTHING started by Obama to win so he scrapped the multilateral deal, SMART FRIGGING MOVE TRUMP.
So 10 years later, Iran has 3000 centrifuges pumping up the concentration of uranium.
And just bombing those facilities won't stop Iran from working on the bomb, they will just go into more secure hiding, maybe half mile deep this time.
Even if there is regime change history shows that never gets the results idiots like Trump thinks it will get.
Look how we 'defeated' Iraq. All that did was start up ISIS.
And if those assswipes of Bush had just left Iraq alone Iraqis would have had deadly combat with Iran which would have diverted work on bombs just defending themselves but NO, Bush Jr had to go and screw up the deal Bush Sr did, NOT attacking Iraq, just getting oil back up and running.
Bush Sr was a LOT smarter than Jr.
So here we are again with another Bush Jr thinking he knows what to do.
The question now is not what happens next week but what happens in the NEXT ten years?
@moonbus saidPeople are going to get stung because the job is not done properly. You dont stir up a hornets nest. You destroy it. You finish the job. At the end of the job everything that is a weapon is destroyed. If another nest of hornets joins in, finish them too. Israel was foolish to go in an play around with Gaza. A few well placed nukes [with advanced warning to people to evacuate] would have ended the job with far less fatalities. At this point Gaza would have been cleaned up, Hamas dismantled, and rebuilding started.
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Trump stirred up a hornets’ nest, and somebody is bound to get stung.
War is not tit for tat game. War is finishing the enemy permanently.
@sonhouse said===The question now is not what happens next week but what happens in the NEXT ten years?===
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/world-leaders-react-us-attack-iran-2025-06-22/
The fit hits the shan now. So when will the retaliations begin? Proxies attack? Those hypersonic missiles don't have the range to directly attack the US and they can't carry nukes but they hit the ground doing 10,000 miles an hour, 2 miles a second and our defenses cannot stop all of the ...[text shortened]... what to do.
The question now is not what happens next week but what happens in the NEXT ten years?
Hopefully Trump has learned the lessons of history from GWB and won't try to occupy Iran or run the country if the Islamists do fall (which probably won't happen).
A combined Israeli-US strategy of knocking out their nuclear capability and missile launchers from the air but not getting involved in their internal politics or pressing for regime change would make the most sense.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidAnd NO DOUBT you wish you had been the pilot of one of those B1 bombers.
And once again, it's the US AIr Force that is on the tip of the spear!
IP inbound and Bombs Away hahahahahaa.
Tell me, what happened after Bush Jr attacked Iraq, got his regime change, eh?
If he had heeded daddies advice, don't attack Iraq, which Jr thought he would finish what daddy started.
Tell me how well THAT turned out, eh.
Same frigging thing will happen with Iran, we can't control a country of near one hundred MILLION population, like even if we went in with a million man army, TOTALLY take over the government install a puppet regime, you don't think there will be secret groups fighting that kind of thing? So we set up a puppet regime and we figure GREAT, our work is done and we go on to other problems around the world and ignore the new Iran.
That NEVER works as history has shown time and time again.
But Trump is WAY too stupid and WAY over his head to understand ANY of that.
Do you seriously think even if they got the bombing exactly as planned, all those 3000 centrifuges are destroyed, the Iranian government will just stop working to get the bomb? Not likely. So those attacks by Israel and US just kicks the can down a few years and we WILL be back in the same boat 10 years from now but Trump can't see more than 5 minutes into the future and can't even IMAGINE things going on ten years after so here we are again, on the verge of another war with our troops on the ground where Trump ran his campaign on PEACE BROTHER. But now he has shown himself to be a PUPPET where Naten YAHOO calls the shots.
@sh76 saidIt still will OBVIOUSLY make Iran even more determined to get nukes.
===The question now is not what happens next week but what happens in the NEXT ten years?===
Hopefully Trump has learned the lessons of history from GWB and won't try to occupy Iran or run the country if the Islamists do fall (which probably won't happen).
A combined Israeli-US strategy of knocking out their nuclear capability and missile launchers from the air but not getting involved in their internal politics or pressing for regime change would make the most sense.
Build the next set of centrifuge facilities a half mile deep this time, where it might even survive a NUKE attack.
All this bombing is not going to change the fact Iran will continue to push for nukes no matter what outside forces attack their present nuclear facilities.
@sonhouse saidI'm not sure what your point is.
It still will OBVIOUSLY make Iran even more determined to get nukes.
Build the next set of centrifuge facilities a half mile deep this time, where it might even survive a NUKE attack.
All this bombing is not going to change the fact Iran will continue to push for nukes no matter what outside forces attack their present nuclear facilities.
They were already determined to get nukes. The idea that we were going to suck up to them and hope they start playing nice is positively Chamberlainesque.
Is your point that we should let bad groups do bad things because we probably can't stop them anyway?
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@sh76 saidSheeit, Shouse doesn't know what Chamberlainesque is a reference to.
I'm not sure what your point is.
They were already determined to get nukes. The idea that we were going to suck up to them and hope they start playing nice is positively Chamberlainesque.
Is your point that we should let bad groups do bad things because we probably can't stop them anyway?
@sh76 saidNo but this is not just a 'group' it is a country with near ONE HUNDRED MILLION population and there is no way we can control well hidden agendas like for instance we know the Iranians took whatever Uranium had in those sites and stored them in a hidden bin somewhere to used to go to new lethal levels of purity, starting at 60% and running it through to 90% using hidden centrifuges.
I'm not sure what your point is.
They were already determined to get nukes. The idea that we were going to suck up to them and hope they start playing nice is positively Chamberlainesque.
Is your point that we should let bad groups do bad things because we probably can't stop them anyway?
There was no radiation detected after the bombing. If there was there would have been enough pollution to detect by scintillators capable of reading such radiation a mile in the air and none was detected so the stuff was taken out before the bombings.
@sonhouse saidIran nuclear efforts commenced at least 30 years ago. We've managed to stop them so far.
No but this is not just a 'group' it is a country with near ONE HUNDRED MILLION population and there is no way we can control well hidden agendas like for instance we know the Iranians took whatever Uranium had in those sites and stored them in a hidden bin somewhere to used to go to new lethal levels of purity, starting at 60% and running it through to 90% using hidden cent ...[text shortened]... ch radiation a mile in the air and none was detected so the stuff was taken out before the bombings.
While forever is a long time, I think we can at least hold them off another decade or two.
In the meantime, possibly the backwards oppressive regime will fall on its own.
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidThink so?
Sheeit, Shouse doesn't know what Chamberlainesque is a reference to.
Well, there's always Google or ChatGPT.