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@AverageJoe1 said
Let me get this straight. You acknowledge they are barbarians, and you have known their assaulting words, 'Death to us". Yet, I have seen that you are defending them like Marauder does saying that they have a right to nukes, which they do not, given their threat. Am I right so far!?? Geez.

If you want us to leave them alone, you are into them. Logic.

Oh, pleas ...[text shortened]... will do just that, should any action be taken by the townspeople?

I answer all of your questions.
This is the type of liar you are. I never said anything about Iran having a right to nukes and said the government is a tyranny that the People of the country should overthrow.

But it really doesn't matter what I post; you just hear what your propagandists tell you and assume everyone who disagrees with you is a Marxist or an Islamist or something. You're absolutely incapable of rational argument.


@no1marauder said
This is the type of liar you are. I never said anything about Iran having a right to nukes and said the government is a tyranny that the People of the country should overthrow.

But it really doesn't matter what I post; you just hear what your propagandists tell you and assume everyone who disagrees with you is a Marxist or an Islamist or something. You're absolutely incapable of rational argument.
OK. Then, instead of your laborious crappy links that no one reads, tell us what you think about Trump's bombing the Nuke facilities in Iran two days ago.
I myself will be watching for hedging and contradictions. You did NOT want him to do it, which means you were satisfied that Iran has a nuclear program. Am I wrong? Remember, before you write, that you cannot kid conservatives.


@AverageJoe1 said
OK. Then, instead of your laborious crappy links that no one reads, tell us what you think about Trump's bombing the Nuke facilities in Iran two days ago.
I myself will be watching for hedging and contradictions. You did NOT want him to do it, which means you were satisfied that Iran has a nuclear program. Am I wrong? Remember, before you write, that you cannot kid conservatives.
I’m standing by silly goose. As Gregory Peck said to Anthony Quinn in Guns of Navaronne….”you are in it now, up to your neck!!!””


@no1marauder said
Why is Israel still bombing then? They're targeting government buildings now, not nuclear facilities.
To take out Iran's ability to launch missiles (by going after the launchers), to make war (by going after the commander), and to build back the nuclear program, by going after the nuclear scientists and military commanders.

I don't know for sure that Netanyahu is not trying to effect a regime change, though I don't think such an objective can be forced without ground troops. The hope is that the Iranian people will take the opportunity to get rid of the regime now that it's weakened. But whether it actually happens is up to the Iranian people.

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@no1marauder said
Why is Israel still bombing then? They're targeting government buildings now, not nuclear facilities.
Because Iran is targeting civilians, like apartments, hospitals, schools, and Israel wants to force them to agree to a cease-fire...which they just did.


If you are afraid of what Iran might do to retaliate being bombed but you're not afraid of letting them have nuclear weapons then you are a special kind of stupid.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
If you are afraid of what Iran might do to retaliate being bombed but you're not afraid of letting them have nuclear weapons then you are a special kind of stupid.
I'm not pussy enough to be afraid of Iran period.


@AverageJoe1 said
OK. Then, instead of your laborious crappy links that no one reads, tell us what you think about Trump's bombing the Nuke facilities in Iran two days ago.
I myself will be watching for hedging and contradictions. You did NOT want him to do it, which means you were satisfied that Iran has a nuclear program. Am I wrong? Remember, before you write, that you cannot kid conservatives.
I'm against unconstitutional acts of war.


@sh76 said
To take out Iran's ability to launch missiles (by going after the launchers), to make war (by going after the commander), and to build back the nuclear program, by going after the nuclear scientists and military commanders.

I don't know for sure that Netanyahu is not trying to effect a regime change, though I don't think such an objective can be forced without ground troops. ...[text shortened]... d of the regime now that it's weakened. But whether it actually happens is up to the Iranian people.
Why isn't Israel's nuclear arsenal a sufficient deterrent? What's the point of having it if they feel compelled to go to war with any nation in the area that in their paranoid view might, someday, develop weapons of mass destruction?


@no1marauder said
Why isn't Israel's nuclear arsenal a sufficient deterrent? What's the point of having it if they feel compelled to go to war with any nation in the area that in their paranoid view might, someday, develop weapons of mass destruction?
Because Israel isn’t ruled by a Muslim radicle tyrant


@no1marauder said
Why isn't Israel's nuclear arsenal a sufficient deterrent? What's the point of having it if they feel compelled to go to war with any nation in the area that in their paranoid view might, someday, develop weapons of mass destruction?
Because mutually assured destruction doesn't necessarily affect religious extremists who might really believe that if they kill a million Israelis they'll get their 72 virgins and an everlasting place in Islamic lore even if they end up being killed with 10 million of their subjects.

Ali Khamenei's prudence is not something I'd like to gamble my life, family and society on.

As for what Israel's arsenal does do, it can certainly deter another nuclear regime that is run by more sane people should the need ever arise. The example that comes to mind is Pakistan. Thankfully, there's relative peace between Israel and Pakistan, but one might envision a scenario in which that changes.

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@sh76 said
Because mutually assured destruction doesn't necessarily affect religious extremists who might really believe that if they kill a million Israelis they'll get their 72 virgins and an everlasting place in Islamic lore even if they end up being killed with 10 million of their subjects.

Ali Khamenei's prudence is not something I'd like to gamble my life, family and society on.
...[text shortened]... relative peace between Israel and Pakistan, but one might envision a scenario in which that changes.
This is just bigotry.

There is nothing in Iran's foreign policy history since the Revolution remotely suggesting they are willing to accept mass suicide. If anything, their reactions, including this time, have been aimed at reducing immediate tensions. They certainly acted "sanely" by giving the US warning.

Israel's been far more aggressive; when was the last time Iran started a war?

Should the US have enforced it's nuclear monopoly by going to war with the "evil" Soviet Union?

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@no1marauder said
This is just bigotry.

There is nothing in Iran's foreign policy history since the Revolution remotely suggesting they are willing to accept mass suicide. If anything, their reactions, including this time, have been aimed at reducing immediate tensions. They certainly acted "sanely" by giving the US warning.

Israel's been far more aggressive; when was the last time I ...[text shortened]... ?

Should the US have enforced it's nuclear monopoly by going to war with the "evil" Soviet Union?
Calling the Iranian theocracy Islamist nutjobs is bigotry now?

Iran has been running war by proxies for decades in a variety of context. Iran controls (or at least strongly supports) the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, among others. That Iran engages in wars by proxy rather than openly doesn't make it any less aggressive.

There was probably no way to stop the USSR from gaining nuclear weapons, but if the USSR could have been stopped by aerial strikes from getting nukes in the post-war era, I wouldn't have dismissed the idea out of hand.

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@no1marauder said
Should the US have enforced it's nuclear monopoly by going to war with the "evil" Soviet Union?
YES.
And there's no need for the quotation marks around the word evil when referring to Stalinist Russia.

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@sh76 said
Calling the Iranian theocracy Islamist nutjobs is bigotry now?

Iran has been running war by proxies for decades in a variety of context. Iran controls (or at least strongly supports) the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, among others. That Iran engages in wars by proxy rather than openly doesn't make it any less aggressive.

There was probably no way to stop the USSR from gain ...[text shortened]... rial strikes from getting nukes in the post-war era, I wouldn't have dismissed the idea out of hand.
“Calling the Iranian theocracy Islamist nutjobs is bigotry now? ”

In all fairness he couldnt use the race card 😉

Best he could come up with