Trump did it. Bombed Iran.

@sh76 said
Calling the Iranian theocracy Islamist nutjobs is bigotry now?

Iran has been running war by proxies for decades in a variety of context. Iran controls (or at least strongly supports) the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, among others. That Iran engages in wars by proxy rather than openly doesn't make it any less aggressive.

There was probably no way to stop the USSR from gain ...[text shortened]... rial strikes from getting nukes in the post-war era, I wouldn't have dismissed the idea out of hand.

Yes it is. Rather than relying on some dubious negative stereotype mocking the religion, you'd be better off evaluating what they do.

Iran supports the Palestinian resistance. That resistance would exist no matter what Iran did so calling it a "war by proxy" is ridiculous. The Saudis and others unleashed war on the Houthis and Iran supports them but Iran didn't start that war either. So where's the evidence that country is "aggressive"? Iraq invaded them with our blessings and support, the US has bombed them multiple times heck we even shot down one of their civilian airplanes killing hundreds.

@no1marauder said
I'm not pussy enough to be afraid of Iran period.

I don’t know what that means, but it seems that you are not afraid of a country that has nuclear weapons that says death to America, and to wipe out all of Israel.
If you are not afraid of that, I think you are being quite disingenuous. Are you disingenuous, marauder?

@AverageJoe1 said
I don’t know what that means, but it seems that you are not afraid of a country that has nuclear weapons that says death to America, and to wipe out all of Israel.
If you are not afraid of that, I think you are being quite disingenuous. Are you disingenuous, marauder?

Iran doesn't have any nuclear weapons, I don't care what people there chant and I'm not Israeli (whatever happened to "America First"?).

Take Israel out of the equation and we'd have no beef with Iran; Trump had no problem kissing the asses of Muslim tyrants a few months ago.

@no1marauder said
I'm against unconstitutional acts of war.

We all are. I have seen nothing but approval of the bombing with regard to its being in compliance with the constitution. I agree with them, and I wrote a thread which briefly discounts WPowers Act, as not applicable as a Democrat tool to override the Constitution for god sake.
Look at marauder, he wants to tie the hands of a president who is sworn to protect the citizens. We on the other hand, have a mind to do whatever it takes to protect the citizens. It just happens that he did so under the rules of the constitution.

@no1marauder said
Iran doesn't have any nuclear weapons, I don't care what people there chant and I'm not Israeli (whatever happened to "America First"?).

Take Israel out of the equation and we'd have no beef with Iran; Trump had no problem kissing the asses of Muslim tyrants a few months ago.

Hey marauder, the guys in my town who are in the process of building a bomb to kill everyone in the town…… They don’t actually have a bomb yet either. You should pick it up a bit on these discussions.
Some of the various experts are saying that Iran could have been within two weeks of having a bomb. So in three weeks, you might be dead.
Geez. Pick it up. I am worried you are getting into son house territory.

@no1marauder said
Yes it is. Rather than relying on some dubious negative stereotype mocking the religion, you'd be better off evaluating what they do.

Iran supports the Palestinian resistance. That resistance would exist no matter what Iran did so calling it a "war by proxy" is ridiculous. The Saudis and others unleashed war on the Houthis and Iran supports them but Iran didn't start t ...[text shortened]... bombed them multiple times heck we even shot down one of their civilian airplanes killing hundreds.

Evaluating what they do? We need to evaluate the here and now, not how it got to where it is. I can’t believe you are writing about the history of how things got where they are ….the sons of bitches chant, death to America , and are in the process of building a nuclear bomb. You sure can dance..

@AverageJoe1 said
We all are. I have seen nothing but approval of the bombing with regard to its being in compliance with the constitution. I agree with them, and I wrote a thread which briefly discounts WPowers Act, as not applicable as a Democrat tool to override the Constitution for god sake.
Look at marauder, he wants to tie the hands of a president who is sworn to protect the cit ...[text shortened]... t takes to protect the citizens. It just happens that he did so under the rules of the constitution.

You're insane. The Constitution took the war making power from the Chief Executive; we didn't want a king. The President can act in emergencies where there is an imminent likelihood of attack (the Caroline Test already cited) but nothing remotely like that existed here.

@AverageJoe1 said
Hey marauder, the guys in my town who are in the process of building a bomb to kill everyone in the town…… They don’t actually have a bomb yet either. You should pick it up a bit on these discussions.
Some of the various experts are saying that Iran could have been within two weeks of having a bomb. So in three weeks, you might be dead.
Geez. Pick it up. I am worried you are getting into son house territory.

What "experts"? Not the ones who work for our Intelligence agencies who said Iran had no active nuclear weapons program in sworn Congressional testimony a few months ago.

@no1marauder said
You're insane. The Constitution took the war making power from the Chief Executive; we didn't want a king. The President can act in emergencies where there is an imminent likelihood of attack (the Caroline Test already cited) but nothing remotely like that existed here.

So it is not eminent danger for the people across town to build a bomb and threaten to kill everyone in town with it. There’s no difference . Marauder, you really have to clean up your position on this, because you’re not making any sense. You still have not said that it was a good idea to stop the development of nuclear stuff in the country of the craziest maniacs on the planet. You have to see how we find you so weird.

@no1marauder said
What "experts"? Not the ones who work for our Intelligence agencies who said Iran had no active nuclear weapons program in sworn Congressional testimony a few months ago.

Oh, maybe 20 experts who have passed muster to get big time TV time to say things and back them up with really good facts. But you are right, maybe two of them could be wrong. The majority of them think just like average joe does.
One person who is not perfect as none of us are did utter that they that in her opinion that they did not have a nuclear bomb well I believe she is correct. They do not have a nuclear bomb.

@AverageJoe1 said
Oh, maybe 20 experts who have passed muster to get big time TV time to say things and back them up with really good facts. But you are right, maybe two of them could be wrong. The majority of them think just like average joe does.
One person who is not perfect as none of us are did utter that they that in her opinion that they did not have a nuclear bomb well I believe she is correct. They do not have a nuclear bomb.

In other words, everybody at your right wing propaganda networks says so.

@no1marauder said
In other words, everybody at your right wing propaganda networks says so.

And your propaganda just all say the opposite. Of course that goes without saying. So either your people are wrong or my people are wrong. I wonder which ones are wrong ? as Trump said we will wait and see.

@AverageJoe1 said
So it is not eminent danger for the people across town to build a bomb and threaten to kill everyone in town with it. There’s no difference . Marauder, you really have to clean up your position on this, because you’re not making any sense. You still have not said that it was a good idea to stop the development of nuclear stuff in the country of the craziest maniacs on the planet. You have to see how we find you so weird.

They weren't building a bomb and they threaten us a lot less than we threaten them and virtually everybody else in the world.

Ask the folks on Iran Air Flight 655; oh, you can't because our Navy killed them.https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/military-history-and-science/uss-vincennes-shoots-down-iranian-civilian-plane#:~:text=On%20July%203%2C%201988%2C%20the,passengers%20and%20crew%20on%20board.

@no1marauder said
They weren't building a bomb

I stopped reading right there because they sure the fc.u.k WERE building a bomb and they were getting close to being able to complete it. Also their "space" program is just a smokescreen for building ICBM's.

@no1marauder said
They weren't building a bomb and they threaten us a lot less than we threaten them and virtually everybody else in the world.

Ask the folks on Iran Air Flight 655; oh, you can't because our Navy killed them.https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/military-history-and-science/uss-vincennes-shoots-down-iranian-civilian-plane#:~:text=On%20July%203%2C%201988%2C%20the,passengers%20and%20crew%20on%20board.

Thank you very much for finally a concrete answer, a concrete position, as you stay very clearly that ‘ they weren’t building a bomb.’
You and Sonhouse know so much more stuff than we do. You say that my constitutional experts don’t know anything, but you expect me to believe that you do know that they were not building a bomb.
Help me, Rhonda.