Trump, or Biden. Who Is the Greater Threat to Democracy??

Trump, or Biden. Who Is the Greater Threat to Democracy??

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@Suzianne said
Until Ukraine got rid of a corrupt official.

Go on, you never finish your thoughts.
You write about what Ukraine did. I write about what Joe Biden (president) did.
Do you get that strange? All of y'all do that. Sonhouse wrote me about Trump, and I responded about Biden! ( I didn't really, I would not know how to do that to any acceptable conclusion)

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@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
Rewriting history AGAIN. Trump DID threaten to withhold military aid to Ukraine or did you forget all about the Col Vindman episode, where he heard Trump say to Zelinski, 'find me dirt on Biden or you can forget that half bil in military aid'.
So you think that was fake news too?
Trump? It was Biden that put the screws to Ukraine. You are one mixed up little feller.

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@sonhouse said
@Earl-of-Trumps
It sounds more like you support Trump not because you don't want a democrat but you don't want democracy.
You keep claiming Trump cannot start an authoritarian regime but you ignore history like the rise of Mussolini or Hitler. You seriously think that cannot happen here?
Do you really think our democracy is set in stone? It is set by a Paper which would mean ZERO to a budding dictator, what part of that do you not understand?
Sincerely, I do not think that our society would allow it. no way

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@Suzianne said
And if you can't tell the difference between the party of the people vs. the party of the rich and sleazy, then your lack of foresight is all on you. You have been conned by the right, and you blame us. YOU, my non-friend, are stupid. There's no other word for it.
and you are programmed to... Eat the rich!!

proud?

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@boonon said
I would agree with that now. I originally voted for him because I considered him an outsider. By that I mean someone new. I know he ran on the republican ticket but I saw him as neither right or left. I saw it as sticking it to both parties because neither party thought he could interrupt their control.
When Trump was elected, the repubs owned the house and senate, and I felt sure that the southern border was
going to get shored up. Man, was I wrong. the repubs wouldn't allow it. and it showed me both parties wanted a wide-open border

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
and you are programmed to... Eat the rich!!

proud?
I used both Amazon (rich Jeff Bezos) and fed Ex (rich Fred Smith) today. Also about 100k people were employed at both concerns.
Also, manufacturers were making money by using the service of Amazon, in a way that they could not otherwise sell their wares all over the world.
And, without Fed ex, these small businesses would have had no way to do same day or 2nd day service.
Everybody's Happy!! Well, except for certain liberals who, with short-sightedness, want to slow both concerns down to a government-approved speed , and quell the wonderful drive of their creators.

No liberal will comment on this post in a meaningful way. Not one.

PS: What we have above all other countries is 'convenience'. These two companies lead the way. Let's shut them down!!! Why, we can all be losers! We can all end up at the same place at the end of day!!! (Kamala said that)

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
When Trump was elected, the repubs owned the house and senate, and I felt sure that the southern border was
going to get shored up. Man, was I wrong. the repubs wouldn't allow it. and it showed me both parties wanted a wide-open border
Yes when Trump won the republicans did not want to work with him. I also agree that both sides want an open border and for the most part both sides are a useless one party system.

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@boonon said
Yes when Trump won the republicans did not want to work with him. I also agree that both sides want an open border and for the most part both sides are a useless one party system.
WIDE open? No vetting? Interesting. Open is open, I guess.
No country can be a country if it does not have borders, on all sides.
You libs are a real trip.

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@AverageJoe1 said
WIDE open? No vetting? Interesting. Open is open, I guess.
No country can be a country if it does not have borders, on all sides.
You libs are a real trip.
?? I am far from a lib.

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@Earl-of-Trumps
So the bipartisan border bill killed by Trump was useless? Billions for more border patrol, more cops, more judges to handle the huge backlog of asylum seekers. All killed by Trump commanding the squeaker of the house, his pet squeaker Mikey Johnson, a supposed highly religious dude completely ignoring the infidelities of Trump among all the other lawless deals he pulled, That was a good bill, and the orange farter starter stopped it.

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@AverageJoe1
Like I said you are rewriting history, a poor version of your rewrite too.
You maybe are forgetting the reason for impeachment #1?
That 'Perfect' phone call, as told by Trump, 'find me dirt on Biden (JOE Biden) or forget that half bil in military aid.
You now deny THAT episode which played out on just about every TV station from Alaska to Florida, and you think it was BIDEN who screwed up Ukraine?
You are really in LA LA land now, maybe you forgot the 80 billion dollar bill for Ukraine pushed through by Biden and Mike Johnson? Yeah, Biden really HATES Zelinski.

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@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
Like I said you are rewriting history, a poor version of your rewrite too.
You maybe are forgetting the reason for impeachment #1?
That 'Perfect' phone call, as told by Trump, 'find me dirt on Biden (JOE Biden) or forget that half bil in military aid.
You now deny THAT episode which played out on just about every TV station from Alaska to Florida, and you t ...[text shortened]... dollar bill for Ukraine pushed through by Biden and Mike Johnson? Yeah, Biden really HATES Zelinski.
Uh, the 'reason for impeachment' is the hate felt for Trump. That was just the vehicle.

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@AverageJoe1
So it is just fine with you for Trump to threaten a foreign leader for his own political gain. That is not just an excuse for dems.

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@sonhouse said
@Earl-of-Trumps
So the bipartisan border bill killed by Trump was useless? Billions for more border patrol, more cops, more judges to handle the huge backlog of asylum seekers. All killed by Trump commanding the squeaker of the house, his pet squeaker Mikey Johnson, a supposed highly religious dude completely ignoring the infidelities of Trump among all the other lawless deals he pulled, That was a good bill, and the orange farter starter stopped it.
All I can tell you about any such bill is this,,,
Donald Trump was the only person in Washington that sincerely wanted the border shored up.

With a republican house and senate he could not get the wall built. What he did do was change "catch and release"
to "catch and release in Mexico"
And that worked wonderfully until Biden came in and changed it back to "catch and release".

What an unpatriotic, miserable, b-hole

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
All I can tell you about any such bill is this,,,
Donald Trump was the only person in Washington that sincerely wanted the border shored up.

With a republican house and senate he could not get the wall built. What he did do was change "catch and release"
to "catch and release in Mexico"
And that worked wonderfully until Biden came in and changed it back to "catch and release".

What an unpatriotic, miserable, b-hole
Earl - To be a successful politician in a representative democracy like we have, if you are the only person who wants something done, then you have to convince other people that you have a good idea.

There's no other way to get things done. So you're either saying he had a bad idea, or he is a terrible politician. Either way, unfit for president.

And to your point that his executive policy "worked wonderfully" what do you have to say about these headlines from 2018?

- Over 7,000 strong, a migrant caravan headed for the US pushes on
- Record numbers crossing the border as Trump threats go unheeded

You forget how bad it was under Trump.

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