I have been seeing people around here claiming Afghanistan was Trump's fault. Biden had to withdraw the troops because Trump said that the US would.
https://www.vox.com/22306919/biden-keystone-xl-trudeau-oil-pipeline-climate-change
Biden reversed policy on the keystone pipeline.
@eladar saidAfghanistan was Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Ever since then it's been a political football that keeps getting kicked down the road.
I have been seeing people around here claiming Afghanistan was Trump's fault. Biden had to withdraw the troops because Trump said that the US would.
https://www.vox.com/22306919/biden-keystone-xl-trudeau-oil-pipeline-climate-change
Biden reversed policy on the keystone pipeline.
@wildgrass saidYou really need to pay attention.
Afghanistan was Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Ever since then it's been a political football that keeps getting kicked down the road.
The story is that Biden had to pull out of Afghanistan because it was Trump's policy.
Obviously this theory is total trash, but that is what people around here claim. It is what Biden claims.
@eladar saidWell, to be fair it wasn't a great exit plan unless this outcome was the plan. The Afghan forces gave up willingly and systematically. What was Trump's plan again? We were just supposed to trust that the Taliban terrorists would play nice with the Afghans and not try to seize power?
You really need to pay attention.
The story is that Biden had to pull out of Afghanistan because it was Trump's policy.
Obviously this theory is total trash, but that is what people around here claim. It is what Biden claims.
This was inevitable. I'll give Trump some credit for cutting the deal, but then I take away a lot more credit because his plan was to wait until after the election and transition of power for the messy and inevitable conclusion.
@wildgrass saidTrump's plan was that the Taliban would stay in their villages. If they would not, we would not leave.
Well, to be fair it wasn't a great exit plan unless this outcome was the plan. The Afghan forces gave up willingly and systematically. What was Trump's plan again? We were just supposed to trust that the Taliban terrorists would play nice with the Afghans and not try to seize power?
This was inevitable. I'll give Trump some credit for cutting the deal, but then I take aw ...[text shortened]... as to wait until after the election and transition of power for the messy and inevitable conclusion.
@eladar saidand we would not leave ... and the war goes on... and the war goes on ....
Trump's plan was that the Taliban would stay in their villages. If they would not, we would not leave.
Three prior presidents chose not to leave for political reasons. It was poorly executed but at least someone had the stones to actually end it.
@eladar saidWhat a fairy tale.
Trump's plan was that the Taliban would stay in their villages. If they would not, we would not leave.
Nothing in the agreement required the Taliban to "stay in their villages"; nothing in the agreement forbade them from attempting to overthrow the Afghan government by force.
@wildgrass saidI think that the Taliban would honor strength, but they will get away with whatever Biden allows them to get away with.
and we would not leave ... and the war goes on... and the war goes on ....
Three prior presidents chose not to leave for political reasons. It was poorly executed but at least someone had the stones to actually end it.
@no1marauder saidPerhaps you can provide a copy of the agreement.
What a fairy tale.
Nothing in the agreement required the Taliban to "stay in their villages"; nothing in the agreement forbade them from attempting to overthrow the Afghan government by force.
@eladar saidThey "honored [Trump's] strength" by engaging in the most violent year of the occupation in 2020.
I think that the Taliban would honor strength, but they will get away with whatever Biden allows them to get away with.
He "honored [their] strength" by releasing 5000 Taliban soldiers to fight against the Afghan Government, which was froze out of Trump's negotiations with the Taliban.
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@eladar saidI have in other threads. I'll find it AGAIN.
Perhaps you can provide a copy of the agreement.
EDIT: Here it is: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
How's this for "strength":
2. The United States and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban seek positive relations with each other and expect that the relations between the United States and the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations will be positive.
3. The United States will seek economic cooperation for reconstruction with the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and
negotiations, and will not intervene in its internal affairs.
@no1marauder saidRead part 4. If the Taliban attack anyone in their country, the agreement is null and void.
I have in other threads. I'll find it AGAIN.
EDIT: Here it is: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
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@eladar saidIt says no such thing:
Read part 4. If the Taliban attack anyone in their country, the agreement is null and void.
"4. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan."
@eladar saidIt is not what Biden claims.
You really need to pay attention.
The story is that Biden had to pull out of Afghanistan because it was Trump's policy.
Obviously this theory is total trash, but that is what people around here claim. It is what Biden claims.
Biden has been in favour of getting out of Afghanistan for a decade or so.
What trump did do was attempt to bargain with the Taliban. And he wanted out of Afghanistan by May.
Ergo, this same situation would have happened.
20 years… good lord.
@eladar saidI don't believe that (Biden had a choice and made the correct one) but Donald Trump sure did a month ago:
You really need to pay attention.
The story is that Biden had to pull out of Afghanistan because it was Trump's policy.
Obviously this theory is total trash, but that is what people around here claim. It is what Biden claims.
"I started the process,” Trump said at a rally in Ohio in late June, his first since losing the presidency. “All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. [The Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.”
https://newsone.com/4186137/trump-afghanistan-video-bragging/