@no1marauder saidTell me, have the Taliban lived up to ceasefire?
It says no such thing:
"4. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan."
Part 4 was disregarded, Trump's proposal was ignored and Biden was so weak the Taliban get away with it.
So back to the question...
Why did Biden choose to try to fill shoes he could not fill in Afghanistan while totally going to against the pipeline?
@eladar saidThe agreement doesn't require a ceasefire. The Taliban accelerated their campaign all through 2020 and Trump's response was to take more troops out.
Tell me, have the Taliban lived up to ceasefire?
Part 4 was disregarded, Trump's proposal was ignored and Biden was so weak the Taliban get away with it.
So back to the question...
Why did Biden choose to try to fill shoes he could not fill in Afghanistan while totally going to against the pipeline?
Biden did exactly what he promised the American People i.e. got the US troops out of this hopeless war. Trump promised the same thing but broke his word (like he generally does).
@eladar saidHonor strength? Are you kidding? They're terrorists.
I think that the Taliban would honor strength, but they will get away with whatever Biden allows them to get away with.
"Excuse me, sir. I know you're trying to take over this country but what if I took my shirt off and showed you my biceps?"
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@no1marauder saidI suppose in your mind the plan does not require a ceasefire. But that is just a reflection of your morality. I suppose the Taliban and you have very similar morals on the matter.
The agreement doesn't require a ceasefire. The Taliban accelerated their campaign all through 2020 and Trump's response was to take more troops out.
Biden did exactly what he promised the American People i.e. got the US troops out of this hopeless war. Trump promised the same thing but broke his word (like he generally does).
@eladar saidThe agreement had zero enforceable concessions by the Taliban. They would wait until we leave and then takeover. That was the agreement.
Tell me, have the Taliban lived up to ceasefire?
Part 4 was disregarded, Trump's proposal was ignored and Biden was so weak the Taliban get away with it.
So back to the question...
Why did Biden choose to try to fill shoes he could not fill in Afghanistan while totally going to against the pipeline?
@eladar saidShow me where it requires a ceasefire. It requires talks about a ceasefire (which were held between the Taliban and the Afghan Government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_peace_process#Intra-Afghan_negotiations_(2020)) but doesn't require a ceasefire unless the parties agree to it. And Trump did nothing when the ceasefire, unsurprisingly, didn't materialize.
I suppose in your mind the plan does not require a ceasefire. But that is just a reflection of your morality. I suppose the Taliban and you have very similar morals on the matter.
You really shouldn't try to bluff your way through when the agreement is there for everyone to see.
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@shavixmir saidWhat Biden gave Afghanistan is Taliban military taking control. People are being murdered and young women made into sex slaves.
The country doesn’t need a ceasefire as such, it needs legitimate democratic structures, which have been removed since the early 70’s.
Is this what you believe Afghanistan needed?
@eladar saidIs that democratic structures?
What Biden gave Afghanistan is Taliban military taking control. People are being murdered and young women made into sex slaves.
Is this what you believe Afghanistan needed?
Nope. So there you have your answer.
trump was giving exactly the same thing as Biden, except he added legitimacy for the Taliban into the equation.
They spent 20 bloody years there. Chasing ghosts, rather than creating democratic structures that would have given the Afghans the ability to vote for what they wanted, with the Taliban being part of the system, instead of being forced to take the system.
@eladar saidSo, if Trump were still dear leader he'd have ripped his shirt off, flexed his muscles and said "HEY, TERRORIST! I'M STRONG. GO BACK TO YOUR SHANTY!!!"
What Biden gave Afghanistan is Taliban military taking control. People are being murdered and young women made into sex slaves.
Is this what you believe Afghanistan needed?
And that would have worked.
And the world would be peaceful again.
All hail strong MAGA. I alone know how to make the best deals with terrorists.
@wildgrass saidNice quote from Amanda Marcotte on Salon:
So, if Trump were still dear leader he'd have ripped his shirt off, flexed his muscles and said "HEY, TERRORIST! I'M STRONG. GO BACK TO YOUR SHANTY!!!"
And that would have worked.
And the world would be peaceful again.
All hail strong MAGA. I alone know how to make the best deals with terrorists.
"It's no wonder, really, that Trump is so beloved by the increasingly infantile Republican base. He is a 7th grade boy's fantasy of a tough guy: Belligerent, boastful, and surrounded by beautiful women who are actually just paid to be there. But he is also lazy, incurious, and a bully.
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/17/biden-asks-americans-to-act-like-grown-ups--but-republicans-are-too-addicted-to-being-brats/
Of course, that base is largely composed of poorly educated, middle aged or older men: 7th Grade boys who never really grew up.
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@eladar saidYour an idiot just like trump. How can that be a plan? If you leave then you cannot make the Taliban stay in their villages can you, plus the Taliban have been out of their villages and attacking Kabul and other regional capital’s for years, including the years of Trumps presidency, so no, other than cut US losses and bug out Trump had no plan whatsoever and Biden decided to take this lack of a plan and run with it.
Trump's plan was that the Taliban would stay in their villages. If they would not, we would not leave.
You can debate the pros and cons of the US ‘exit strategy’ but you cannot absolve the US of responsibility for the shambles of the last 20 years and counting by making it a partisan issue. America definitely sucks as a reliable ally and it has done since the Ist gulf war.
@wildgrass saidTerrorists honor strength. If you force them into submission, they do not act out. Where did Lybian terrorism go? It stopped with American bombs.
Honor strength? Are you kidding? They're terrorists.
"Excuse me, sir. I know you're trying to take over this country but what if I took my shirt off and showed you my biceps?"
@kevcvs57 saidHow can that be a plan?
Your an idiot just like trump. How can that be a plan? If you leave then you cannot make the Taliban stay in their villages can you, plus the Taliban have been out of their villages and attacking Kabul and other regional capital’s for years, including the years of Trumps presidency, so no, other than cut US losses and bug out Trump had no plan whatsoever and Biden decided t ...[text shortened]... partisan issue. America definitely sucks as a reliable ally and it has done since the Ist gulf war.
If you are not peaceful we return. We only leave if you are peaceful.
That was the Trump plan.
The Biden plan is we are leaving, do what you want.