@Indonesia-Phil saidWell you are going way off topic so I will decline to respond to all of your points. Im not into Trump/Biden hating neither do I care to discuss personalities. For me the issue not what Trump said, and I know the Trump haters love to focus on that, and are excited when he is not correct .. its about the issue of white farmers.
Sure, you and I can move on, but the OP relates to Mister Trump, who was shown images of mass - graves and told that thousands of white South Africans are buried there, which is not true, but in true Trump style has been presented as the truth. So then, to move on, perhaps to the one about his trying to rip the heart and soul out of American universities, but that's no ...[text shortened]... it there, either, man, when it comes to Mister Trump, it's getting hard to know where to move on to.
Let me be clear and repeat what I said - Trump was wrong about it being genocide and the photo produced was not applicable to South Africa. For me the issue is the persecution white farmers have faced since ANC took power back in the early 1990s, and it has nothing to do with Trump. If you cannot focus on this critical issue but instead you default to discussing personalities ... eg Trump this, Trump that and the other then we cannot communicate.
It is weird that people love to discuss Trump [clearly a sign of low value people] while this kind of blatant persecution in South Africa goes on unchecked for decades. In South Africa this Malema guy is inciting people to kill white farmers. This Ramaphosa joker was doing similar stuff although he denies it. The only reason he came to the US was to beg Trump for money, most of which they steal.
If you want to discuss other stuff unrelated to the South African persecution of white farmers please start another thead and I will be happy to contribute.
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There is no genocide of white farmers in South Africa—this claim is a complete falsehood that has been circulated by far-right sources. Even Elon Musk has echoed these theories, despite the fact that his own AI recognizes them as baseless.
Meanwhile, Trump appears to have little awareness of the atrocities occurring in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, yet he is permitting white economic migrants from South Africa.
Trump asserts that he upholds Christian values, but what does the Bible actually say about orphans and widows? He should be prioritising victims of rape/murder than whites from South Africa.
@Rajk999 saidStrange? Not really. 😆
Whether or not it is genocide is not relevant., especially if you have no data to support your conclusion. As usual you full of talk without facts.
Do you have any actual data on murders of whites in South Africa in the last 10 years or so? I bet you dont.... nobody seems to have that .. not BBC, not any media, not Ramaphosa, not the South African police.
Do you not find that strange?
You have to remember back to 1994. One of the premises of the 'New' South Africa with the new multicolored flag, and this was articulated by Desmond Tutu, was that it would be a truly 'rainbow' nation:
"Rainbow nation" is a term coined by Archbishop Desmond Tutu to describe post-apartheid South Africa after South Africa's first democratic election in 1994.
The phrase was elaborated upon by President Nelson Mandela in his first month of office, when he proclaimed: "Each of us is as intimately attached to the soil of this beautiful country as are the famous jacaranda trees of Pretoria and the mimosa trees of the bushveld – a rainbow nation at peace with itself and the world."
Thus, the Y-shape on the flag represents many tribes 'coming together': Xhosa, Basotho, Tswana, Swazi, Venda, Zulu, White (of which there are two branches: English and Dutch), Indian, Cape Coloured, Bushman, etc.
Long story short - I bet they don't report murders for ANY tribe, and the reason would be they don't think it matters. All South Africans are South Africans and part of the Rainbow Nation, and the government will not try to split them apart.
But we can test this. I have not done it, but it interests you, so you can.
Please examine the statistics and tell us, of the murders in South Africa, how many victims are Zulu, Xhosa, and White. Those are 3 of the largest tribes. If you can find the black tribes separately but not the white, then there is clearly some bias, and I will admit that you have a point.
But if you can't find ANY tribal sub-totals, then I am right and you will be forced to admit that.
I think that is a fair test. 😆
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Excellent point Spruce. South Africa is made up of about a dozen tribes, English, Dutch, Indian etc so breaking up the murder statistics by tribe doesn't make sense.
South Africa is unified and diverse a "rainbow nation".
The "Rainbow Nation" refers to post-apartheid South Africa, a term coined by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was used to describe the nation's diverse population and the hope for harmonious coexistence among its different ethnic and cultural groups. South Africa's 1995 Rugby World Cup victory, particularly the images of Nelson Mandela wearing a Springbok jersey after the win, became a powerful symbol of this "Rainbow Nation" and its pursuit of unity. The 2019 Rugby World Cup win, with Siya Kolisi, the first black captain, lifting the trophy, further cemented the idea of a united and diverse South Africa.
@spruce112358 saidWhy dont you STFU, and stop embarrassing yourself with that nonsense. South African police collects the data for white murders but they are not released, and if some are released [like what the BBC reported], the figures are doctored to show whatever they want to show.
Strange? Not really. 😆
You have to remember back to 1994. One of the premises of the 'New' South Africa with the new multicolored flag, and this was articulated by Desmond Tutu, was that it would be a truly 'rainbow' nation:
[quote]"Rainbow nation" is a term coined by Archbishop Desmond Tutu to describe post-apartheid South Africa after South Africa's first democr ...[text shortened]... ub-totals, then I am right and you will be forced to admit that.
I think that is a fair test. 😆
No country report deaths by tribes, as that is not an important criteria. In the US there is no separation of different types of native American indians, unless it can be readily ascertained. In India there is no separate reporting of deaths of different castes. Same with Africa, it is difficult to identify Zulu v Xhora because the differences are not physical and the only way to tell is by how they speak and mannerisms.
If there is no released data on white deaths then how can you tell that whites are not being targeted?
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"South African police collects the data for white murders but they are not released, and if some are released [like what the BBC reported], the figures are doctored to show whatever they want to show."
Delusional.
Come back with the stats for :-
- American Indians killed in America broken down by tribe
- Jews killed in Israel broken down by Ethnic as well as religious i.e. Main divisions include ethnic groups like Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi, as well as religious denominations like Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist
- No of Blacks, Hispanics killed in the USA each year. In the USA, the Black population includes single-race, non-Hispanic Black individuals, multiracial, non-Hispanic Black individuals, and Black Hispanics. "Single-race Black" refers to those who identify solely as Black and not as Hispanic or Latino. "Multiracial Black" refers to those who identify with two or more races and not as Hispanic or Latino. "Black Hispanic" includes those who identify as Black and Hispanic/Latino.
- Aborigines killed in Australia broken down by different groups
@congruent saidYou are a dunce. Try reading up on the matter before commenting. Murder or whites are not released. They are recorded but the public is not allowed to see them, the way other countries release this data. What the police cannot suppress is what the public know about and see for themselves. People and eye witnesses have commented all over the internet, Youtube has tons of these reports, and the truth is out there and it is the complete opposite to your deceitful version of these events.
"South African police collects the data for white murders but they are not released, and if some are released [like what the BBC reported], the figures are doctored to show whatever they want to show."
Delusional.
Come back with the stats for :-
- American Indians killed in America broken down by tribe
- Jews killed in Israel broken down by Ethnic as ...[text shortened]... ify as Black and Hispanic/Latino.
- Aborigines killed in Australia broken down by different groups
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/about-kill-the-boer-chant-in-trumps-south-africa-white-genocide-video-8479105
"You do allow them to take land, and then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer, and when they kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them," Trump said, accusing Ramaphosa.
About "Kill The Boer" Chant In Trump's South Africa 'White Genocide' Video In 2022, South Africa's Equality Court ruled that the "Kill The Boer, Kill The Farmer" slogan did not constitute hate speech under the country's legal framework.
South African president, however, stayed calm and disputed Trump's claims.
"No, no, no, no. Nobody can take land," Ramaphosa said as he insisted that most victims of South Africa's notoriously high crime rate are black and said the politicians in the video were from the opposition.
However, he didn't seem to convince Trump, who drowned him out whenever he tried to speak.
To anyone with a few braincells ....
What Does "Kill The Boer, Kill The Farmer" Mean
The chant is historically linked to Peter Mokaba, a former African National Congress (ANC) youth leader. It is rooted in the anti-apartheid struggle of the 1990s. Mokaba, who died in 2002, argued that it was a metaphor rather than a literal call to violence.
In 2022, South Africa's Equality Court ruled that the slogan did not constitute hate speech under the country's legal framework.
@congruent saidRamaphosa is a money hungry, crooked and murderous criminal. Only a fool would believe anything he says. 'Kill the Boer' means Kill the White Farmers. African leaders on the whole all over Africa are untrustworthy, greedy theives. Billions of $$ US go to these countries every year and over 75% of this disappears. These African countries have the highest corruption index. They ahve the highest murder rates in the world. They dont care about their own people. They kill and rape people they dont like. This is why Trump has to be careful about bringing in those being persecuted in the Congo. They are damaged people, and they are likely to cause havoc in their host countries.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/about-kill-the-boer-chant-in-trumps-south-africa-white-genocide-video-8479105
"You do allow them to take land, and then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer, and when they kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them," Trump said, accusing Ramaphosa.
About "Kill The Boer" Chant In Trump's South Africa 'White Gen ...[text shortened]... lity Court ruled that the slogan did not constitute hate speech under the country's legal framework.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidRIGHT. Daily mail.
Been going on for many years, ever since the blacks took over.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8810807/Boer-Lives-Matter-farmers-storm-South-African-court-holding-two-men-accused-murdering-farmer.html
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@sonhouse saidNone of those claims means it's not true.
RIGHT. Daily mail.
The Daily Mail website, also known as MailOnline or dailymail.co.uk outside the UK, is a popular platform for news, lifestyle, and entertainment. However, it's been criticized for sensationalism, unreliability, and questionable accuracy, particularly in areas like science and medicine. While it breaks news, it's often seen as sensationalized and may not ...[text shortened]... its content with a critical eye due to concerns about its reliability, accuracy, and sensationalism.
None of them contradict the veracity of the article.
You need to take a course in logic.
@Rajk999 saidSo you lose. 😆
Why dont you STFU, and stop embarrassing yourself with that nonsense. South African police collects the data for white murders but they are not released, and if some are released [like what the BBC reported], the figures are doctored to show whatever they want to show.
No country report deaths by tribes, as that is not an important criteria. In the US there is no separat ...[text shortened]... there is no released data on white deaths then how can you tell that whites are not being targeted?
@Rajk999 saidReckon you could tell a Bushman from a Zulu? Just by looking? 😆
Why dont you STFU, and stop embarrassing yourself with that nonsense. South African police collects the data for white murders but they are not released, and if some are released [like what the BBC reported], the figures are doctored to show whatever they want to show.
No country report deaths by tribes, as that is not an important criteria. In the US there is no separat ...[text shortened]... there is no released data on white deaths then how can you tell that whites are not being targeted?