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    @dood111 said
    Property damage in Portland is 5 million and going up every night.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/city-multnomah-county-detail-violence-cost-of-repairs-damage-in-response-to-dont-shoot-portlands-motion-to-restrict-tear-gas-less-lethal-weapons.html
    Evidence that the wealth disparity between rich and poor is not natural but is instead rooted in police violence.
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    Those aren't military troops dummy.
    Even if they were, it would be legal:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/can-trump-use-military-to-stop-protests-insurrection-act/2020/06/01/c3724380-a46b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html
    You need to study the constitution a bit more before trying to cite it.
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    @soothfast said
    Protecting buildings requires unmarked vans and uniforms, and violating people's constitutional rights? Can you explain why this is, oh wise one?

    You've missed the point that people are being kidnapped without cause.

    It's mind-boggling to me, how people who profess to be all for freedom turn a blind eye to the real threats to liberty. It's called brainwashing ...[text shortened]... ying by the thousands per week for want of a coordinated federal effort to contain a mindless virus.
    Yeah exactly, these are the very same ‘hero’s’ who claim that they need their guns to defend themselves against a despotic state. I guess they’ll be defending themselves whilst hiding in the root cellar.
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    Once again, these people aren't just demonstrating, they are ruining the city and people's lives:
    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-business-alliance-puts-out-report-on-damages-during-riots/283-927c8812-0010-4561-921a-f0556a5b1a2b#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20The%20Portland%20Business%20Alliance%20has,%2418%20million%20in%20lost%20revenue.
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    @dood111 said
    Once again, these people aren't just demonstrating, they are ruining the city and people's lives:
    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-business-alliance-puts-out-report-on-damages-during-riots/283-927c8812-0010-4561-921a-f0556a5b1a2b#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20The%20Portland%20Business%20Alliance%20has,%2418%20million%20in%20lost%20revenue.
    Tiny minority that the right are latching onto for propaganda reasons and it’s been proven that some of these are right wing race war types acting as agent provocateurs.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Tiny minority that the right are latching onto for propaganda reasons and it’s been proven that some of these are right wing race war types acting as agent provocateurs.
    Right on.

    And yet the left is painted here as evil incarnate.

    Go figure.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Yeah exactly, these are the very same ‘hero’s’ who claim that they need their guns to defend themselves against a despotic state. I guess they’ll be defending themselves whilst hiding in the root cellar.
    Obviously not being able to get a haircut, or being made to wear a mask for 15 minutes to shop for trolling lures at Wal-Mart, are affronts worth bringing out the big guns and Gadsden flags to fight over. But due process and First Amendment rights? Not so much.
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    @dood111 said
    Once again, these people aren't just demonstrating, they are ruining the city and people's lives:
    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-business-alliance-puts-out-report-on-damages-during-riots/283-927c8812-0010-4561-921a-f0556a5b1a2b#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20The%20Portland%20Business%20Alliance%20has,%2418%20million%20in%20lost%20revenue.
    Cry me a river.
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    @suzianne said
    Right on.

    And yet the left is painted here as evil incarnate.

    Go figure.
    November looms, it’s only gonna get sillier and even then you might need a crowbar to get his rear end off the oval rooms en suite toilet seat.
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    The rebellion has begun...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-protests.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Federal Officers In Portland Face Rising Opposition On Streets and In Court

    Rather than tamping down persistent protests in Portland, Ore., a militarized presence from federal officers seems to have re-energized them.

    PORTLAND, Ore. — An aggressive federal campaign to suppress unrest in Portland appears to have instead rejuvenated the city’s movement, as protesters gathered by the hundreds late Friday and into Saturday morning — the largest crowd in weeks.

    Federal officers at times flooded street corridors with tear gas and shot projectiles from paintball guns, while demonstrators responded by shouting that the officers in fatigues were “terrorists” and chanting, “Whose streets? Our streets.”

    A court ruling has largely prohibited local police from using tear gas during the recent protests, which have played out for more than 50 consecutive nights in Portland.

    While the protesters have repeatedly decried the city’s own police tactics, Mayor Ted Wheeler, who also serves as police commissioner, and other leaders have united in calls for federal agencies to stay away. City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty went to join protesters gathered outside the county Justice Center downtown, saying the city will “not allow armed military forces to attack our people.”

    [...]

    While officials from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security have described the stepped-up involvement of federal officers as part of an effort to oppose lawlessness in the city, state and local leaders on Friday contended that the federal officers themselves may be violating the law.

    Prosecutors have opened a criminal investigation into the injury of one protester, who appeared to have been shot in the head with a less-lethal weapon outside the federal courthouse in downtown Portland. Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum has filed a lawsuit, accusing federal officers of unlawful tactics in how they went about detaining people by pulling them into unmarked vans.

    The pushback against the militarized federal deployment involving officers in fatigues and tactical gear has also extended to the streets, where the presence of those federal agents has rejuvenated a movement that had shown signs of finally slowing down after weeks of protest against police violence and militarization.

    [...]


    Emphasis mine.

    I'll add that the fact that extrajudicial kidnappings by federal thugs answering directly to William Barr (Dept. of Justice hack) are stoking more unrest in the streets, rather than less, is a feature, not a bug. Trump wants some pretext to establish martial law on cities throughout the land, perhaps in hopes of preventing them from voting in November. Who knows what manner of sick theater plays out in his dark, tiny mind as he cowers in his bunker.

    All the same, this is going to backfire on Trump and his henchmen, just like his heavy-handed approach to the June Black Lives Matter protests backfired.
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    @soothfast said
    The rebellion has begun...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-protests.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    [quote]Federal Officers In Portland Face Rising Opposition On Streets and In Court

    [i]Rather than tamping down persistent protests in Portland, Ore., a militarized presence from federal officers seems to have re-energized ...[text shortened]... his henchmen, just like his heavy-handed approach to the June Black Lives Matter protests backfired.
    Actually this probably helps Trump. It's not like he's counting on votes from Antifastan to put him over the top. Most people are against the destruction and violence that's been allowed to continue in Portland for the last two months. Time to arrest people for terrorism and put a stop to it.
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