The reason why Truss had to resign was because her economic policy was nonsense. She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation.
This policy was rightly, roundly, and soundly rejected by sane European conservatives. If you want to cut taxes, that's great. But cut spending too, so the government doesn't end up with excessive unmanageable debt.
So, why don't conservatives in the US reject the same policy? It's basically exactly what Trump did, and Bush and Reagan before him. Indeed, there were many US conservatives who were touting Liz Truss' economic policy right before it crashed and burned, comparing it to what House conservatives wanted to do to America. Instead of rejecting this insane policy like normal sane people, US conservatives went out and bought flags and hats and continue to hold boat parades in honor of the chosen one. Are US conservatives just gullible cultists?
@wildgrass saidPropaganda works exeedingly well against anybody, when executed perfectly.
I guess I'm shocked that propaganda works so well among reportedly smart people.
But, then you’re more into planting seeds and nudging.
Basically, you want to create an emotional response to a trigger (think Pavlov’s dog).
A simple advertising trick is sexy woman + car X.
A sexy woman gets men’s juices flowing, by connecting that to car X.
So, car X becomes the trigger and men’s juices start flowing when they see car X.
Political agenda Y. And the news anchor is full of indignation. That indignation can cause an emotional response. Some will experience disgust, for example.
But, many will see political agenda Y, disagree with it (like the anchor does) and experience anger (at politicial agenda Y).
And so when the anchor displays indignation on any topic, some people will get triggered into anger and some people will be disgusted.
Both are experiencing the effects of basic propaganda.
It’s the emotional response which makes propaganda effective. It’s why the message has to be repeated and repeated. That’s how you embed triggers and responses.
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@wildgrass saidConfidence tricksters they be, Reagan, Bush Jr., and Trump. It's not the policy, it's how it's presented, which sways the public. The three U.S. presidents who increased the national deficit by the highest amount (% of GNP) were Lincoln (who financed a war), Bush Jr. (who financed a war), and Trump (wonder what his excuse is).
The reason why Truss had to resign was because her economic policy was nonsense. She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation.
This policy was rightly, roundly, and soundly rejected by sane European conservatives. If you want to cut taxes, that's great. But cut spending too, so the government ...[text shortened]... ntinue to hold boat parades in honor of the chosen one. Are US conservatives just gullible cultists?
Truss was inept three-fold: first, trying to impose an unworkable economic policy without securing user acceptance (not even within her own party); second, presenting it badly; and lastly, sheepishly backtracking. A thoroughly unfit PM; which just shows what a sorry state the Tory party is in, that they put her in when BoJo was out. Truss could have avoided the third blunder by resigning on the spot when the pound plunged; she would at least have left with some speck of respectability. But now, she'll be the PM who vanishes from the history books and the public consciousness. In ten years, no one will remember her name.
@shavixmir saidPropaganda does not work against accurate data. I suppose if a "smart" person were to only listen to and believe obvious propaganda, then I'd argue they're not that smart.
Propaganda works exeedingly well against anybody, when executed perfectly.
But, then you’re more into planting seeds and nudging.
Basically, you want to create an emotional response to a trigger (think Pavlov’s dog).
A simple advertising trick is sexy woman + car X.
A sexy woman gets men’s juices flowing, by connecting that to car X.
So, car X becomes the trigger ...[text shortened]... . It’s why the message has to be repeated and repeated. That’s how you embed triggers and responses.
For example it is factually irrefutable that more that 60% of US debt was accrued by presidents affiliated with the Republican party. The only reason a person would dispute this is if they were not allowed to access actual data, or chose to ignore it. Neither scenario is caused by propaganda.
@moonbus saidYeah I guess I admire that English politics is not so bogged down in partisan hackery that they are able to recognize bad policy for what it is, regardless of party affiliation.
Confidence tricksters they be, Reagan, Bush Jr., and Trump. It's not the policy, it's how it's presented, which sways the public. The three U.S. presidents who increased the national deficit by the highest amount (% of GNP) were Lincoln (who financed a war), Bush Jr. (who financed a war), and Trump (wonder what his excuse is).
Truss was inept three-fold: first, trying to i ...[text shortened]... es from the history books and the public consciousness. In ten years, no one will remember her name.
Kudos to the conservatives for ousting this nut job, but I wish we had the same stolid conservatives here instead of the milquetoast Trump flag bearers.
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@wildgrass saidOne thing I will say in favor of Parliament vs. Congress: they can get an incompetent leader out more efficiently.
Yeah I guess I admire that English politics is not so bogged down in partisan hackery that they are able to recognize bad policy for what it is, regardless of party affiliation.
Kudos to the conservatives for ousting this nut job, but I wish we had the same stolid conservatives here instead of the milquetoast Trump flag bearers.
Mitch McConnell was a fool and a coward for not confirming Trump’s impeachment the first time and putting Pence in the Oval Office. McC must have known then that Trump was a loose cannon who could not be reigned in by “adults in the room.”
@wildgrass saidThe US is a lot more bullet proof from the international monetary markets than a medium sized economy like the UK, the other candidate for the leadership explained very clearly and precisely what would happen to our economy if Liz Truss carried out the promises she was making at the hustings, but the idiotic 160,000 or so tory party grassroots members also thought it would be a great idea to give mum and dad your pocket money back whilst still buying lots and lots of sweets on credit, mum and dad will be pleased but you get barred from the sweet shop.
The reason why Truss had to resign was because her economic policy was nonsense. She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation.
This policy was rightly, roundly, and soundly rejected by sane European conservatives. If you want to cut taxes, that's great. But cut spending too, so the government ...[text shortened]... ntinue to hold boat parades in honor of the chosen one. Are US conservatives just gullible cultists?
@wildgrass said“She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation. ”
The reason why Truss had to resign was because her economic policy was nonsense. She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation.
This policy was rightly, roundly, and soundly rejected by sane European conservatives. If you want to cut taxes, that's great. But cut spending too, so the government ...[text shortened]... ntinue to hold boat parades in honor of the chosen one. Are US conservatives just gullible cultists?
All in 44 days…do you libs ever read what you write? 😂
@mott-the-hoople saidYou are king of the "say nothing" debate commenters.
“She tried slashing taxes combined with increased federal spending, which flooded cash into the economy and caused inflation. ”
All in 44 days…do you libs ever read what you write? 😂
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-Removed-Thank you for clarifying. My error.
I think the broader point holds though. She didn't have support because her ideas were dumb. But her ideas mirrored what US conservatives actually did here in the US. The same conservative ideas that were lauded and deified in the US were rightly rejected by British conservative folk.
@wildgrass saidI just commented on your ignorant premise
You are king of the "say nothing" debate commenters.