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Originally posted by mrstabbyThe only one who sounds brainwashed is you. I trust parents to generally figure out what is right for their kids and don't feel that the State should micromanage child-rearing. If glaring neglect or abuse occurs that's a bit different from if little Johnny is a bit overweight, at least to those who aren't hysterical meddlers like you.
Yeah, let's pretend the problem's not there and it'll go away.
Advertising nowadays is brainwashing. Children are especially vulnerable. Do you think cults should be protected as well if they kill people? Or is the freedom to persuade people to kill themselves something you hold dear?
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Okay, parents are ultimately responsible, fine.
But what is a parent going to do when there a child says they are still hungry, not feed them? How would that make them feel if they are already really stretched elsewhere?
I think this is very interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/pe3sa
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"TV ads boost kids' appetite
Parents, listen up: It might be time to invest in a TiVo (to delete TV ads). A new study presented this week at European Congress on Obesity in Budapest, Hungary, showed that watching food advertisements before a cartoon can double kids' appetites. And among obese children, appetite went up by as much as 134%.
Is this why I spent most of my early years running between the television and the refrigerator?
Part of me says this new research finding provides even more reason for advertising restrictions (especially on junk food ads) to help battle the epidemic of childhood obesity. But then I also think that watching TV is probably not great for kid's health anyway, as a recent report to the UK government found.
Roxanne Khamsi, Online reporter (Image: Sergis/Rick)"
Originally posted by Bad wolfI would say that if a kid is truly hungry you should feed them. Also along the lines of advertising... I always want to eat when I see a good tv ad... even when I am not hungry. This also happens to me when someone is talking about food...
Okay, parents are ultimately responsible, fine.
But what is a parent going to do when there a child says they are still hungry, not feed them? How would that make them feel if they are already really stretched elsewhere?
I think this is very interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/pe3sa
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"TV ads boost kids' appetite
Parents, listen up: I ...[text shortened]... report to the UK government found.
Roxanne Khamsi, Online reporter (Image: Sergis/Rick)"
Originally posted by Bad wolfThe problem isn't caused by people eating too much because they are hungry. The physical problem is caused by eating too much saturated fat and not doing enough exercise. The difficulty with this debate is that the debate over what our respective governments should be doing has turned into an attack on parenting. Our governments are culpable for inaction, but they shouldn't start laws attacking ordinary people for failing to defend themselves against the ideological muscle of the food giants. Governments should do things like ensure that the food supply to children they have control over - namely state school meals - are 1) free and 2 ) wholesome. They should encourage people to do more exercise, and there are a whole raft of non-coercive measures you could take to do that. They could include diet (but not diets, which are counterproductive and probably as harmful as eating too much) in school curriculums. They could provide leaflets at doctors surgeries giving advice about healthy eating. Restricting non-natural additives that can be added to food would be another good idea.
Okay, parents are ultimately responsible, fine.
But what is a parent going to do when there a child says they are still hungry, not feed them? How would that make them feel if they are already really stretched elsewhere?
I think this is very interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/pe3sa
(3rd one down)
"TV ads boost kids' appetite
Parents, listen up: I ...[text shortened]... report to the UK government found.
Roxanne Khamsi, Online reporter (Image: Sergis/Rick)"
As an aside, I'm frequently embarressed by the things said by British people - other Europeans don't do this as much - about Americans. If Americans are fat we're fatter, if Americans are stupid then we are stupider, we aren't the most powerful nation on the planet any more and this is a good thing because the British Empire was an Imperialist vehicle for the subjugation of one quarter of the world's people - we didn't bring peace we brought suffering. So don't be rude about ordinary Americans, even if they elected a chimpanzee as their president - look who we've got running our shop.
"The difficulty with this debate is that the debate over what our respective governments should be doing has turned into an attack on parenting."
This is where the true problem is... parenting. I have 3 children of my own all under six... It is very easy to give them what ever they want... its hard to teach them what is right. My federal government does not need to save me from anything other than forces outside of our borders.
Originally posted by no1marauderAre you replying to my post or did you just have an imaginary conversation in your head? I was talking about advertising and you're talking to me as if I'm talking about micromanaging children.
The only one who sounds brainwashed is you. I trust parents to generally figure out what is right for their kids and don't feel that the State should micromanage child-rearing. If glaring neglect or abuse occurs that's a bit different from if little Johnny is a bit overweight, at least to those who aren't hysterical meddlers like you.
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Originally posted by Zander 88That's bull.
OK, sorry. I was mainly thinking of my own experience. Advertisments have zero influence on me.
You absolutely cannot say that you haven't seen an ad for food late at night and felt an immediate hunger pang. Hunger is quite suggestive, whether you're onto the advertisers or not.
You still buy things don't you? You're still being influenced in your decisions by advertising, just maybe not the crappy stuff on tv. I don't know you're interests, but take for example fishing, you'll go into a shop and find a rod made by such and such company. For some reason, it'll register with you that they make good rods. Most likely that's advertising working on you without even knowing it. Ever think you needed a nice new car? Advertising!
Its all around us, and people underestimating the power of advertising is being naive.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat is your opinion on the government outlawing the supply of heroine to children then?
No.
I want my country to be the free country everyone says it is.
You do realise that a lot of the additives put into childrens "food" is highly addictive and character changing, right?
Marketing companies now manipulate parents through having done research into the "whinge factor". If a company can get a child to whinge enough, then eventually, the end of the tether mother normally gives in and buys the product.
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtIn Ireland, fruit juice is taxed at 21%. This is the same rate as fizzy soft drinks. When I had this issue raised in the Dail, I was told that fruit juice was brought to 21% because it had an "unfair advantage" over fizzy drinks, when it was taxed at 0%.
Our governments are culpable for inaction, but they shouldn't start laws attacking ordinary people for failing to defend themselves against the ideological muscle of the food giants.
Yet, my government starts all types of initiatives to combat obesity and its associated problems and huge numbers of cancer cases. Yet, fruit juice remains at 21%.
Obviously, lobby power in action.
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Originally posted by RagnorakThis was the main reason I got rid of cable tv at our house...
Marketing companies now manipulate parents through having done research into the "whinge factor". If a company can get a child to whinge enough, then eventually, the end of the tether mother normally gives in and buys the product.
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Originally posted by Remora91Advertising has changed the way entire nations eat. Obesity has followed corporations like Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and McDonalds into other countries. The food is substandard, yet people still go for it.
Advertising is not brainwashing. It's promoting a product. Even when I was little and saw the Barbie commercials, I did not believe the Barbies really talked, walked, etc. Children do not buy their own food, so "brainwashing" should not effect what they are eating, unless the parents are not acting like adults and are letting the child make all the dietary ...[text shortened]... y roll the cart past it. And if the did not beg because it is not on T.V., they will beg now.
If changing someone's behaviour from something healthy to something harmful isn't brainwashing, I don't know what is. People start doing something that they (allegedly) know is bad for them for what reason?
In my eyes McDonalds are a less severe version of the British crippling China with opium.
Originally posted by no1marauderDo you think it dictatorial for the State to intervene if somebody targeted children with ads for Heroine? Is this not an attack on your freedom?
The only one who sounds brainwashed is you. I trust parents to generally figure out what is right for their kids and don't feel that the State should micromanage child-rearing. If glaring neglect or abuse occurs that's a bit different from if little Johnny is a bit overweight, at least to those who aren't hysterical meddlers like you.
Do you agree with Health and Safety laws governing the way food is kept to insure that the cases of illnesses like gastroenteritis are minimised? Is this not government "meddling"?
I'll presume that you're reasonable and that you agree that the State do have to police things like the two mentioned above. Why then shouldn't they police the quality of "food" that is being targeted at our children?
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Originally posted by mrstabbyThe way McDonalds work their marketing is truly awe inspiring, in a despicable way.
Advertising has changed the way entire nations eat. Obesity has followed corporations like Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and McDonalds into other countries. The food is substandard, yet people still go for it.
If changing someone's behaviour from something healthy to something harmful isn't brainwashing, I don't know what is. People start doing something that th ...[text shortened]... n?
In my eyes McDonalds are a less severe version of the British crippling China with opium.
They have a clown and play areas at a lot of their outlets (I can't bring myself to call them restaurants). Their food is saturated with addictive salt. They then saturate their food with addictive sugar to cover the taste of the salt. Instantly addictive, and gives you a mild high after you've had a MaccieDs.
So kids grow up having fun at the McDonalds play area, and laughing at the clown and eating yummy food that makes them feel happy with their family. Heck, they'll even get a cool toy. As you grow up, you retain these warm fuzzy feelings about Maccie Ds. You'll then bring your own family there. And the cycle of obesity and disease gets worse.
MacDonalds know that diet is a habit. If you get into a routine of eating fatty, salt and additive laden food, then your body is going to crave it. Everybody who has had a few pints, knows that the only thing their body craves the morning after is something fatty, like a bacon and egg sandwich.
Its very hard to kick this routine, especially considering how many adverts tell us how difficult and time-consuming and how much of a pain it is to prepare our own food. This is rubbish, but people believe that it is gospel that making dinner is a nightmare. Lets just have pizza instead.
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Originally posted by RagnorakRestaurants serve food. They also serve adults and children the same food. It really annoys me when parents in this country assume their children won't like the food they're eating, when in the rest of Europe you see families happily eating together in a restaurant. Kids aren't screaming either.
The way McDonalds work their marketing is truly awe inspiring, in a despicable way.
They have a clown and play areas at a lot of their outlets (I can't bring myself to call them restaurants). Their food is saturated with addictive salt. They then saturate their food with addictive sugar to cover the taste of the salt. Instantly addictive, and gives yo ...[text shortened]... eve that it is gospel that making dinner is a nightmare. Lets just have pizza instead.
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I heard that even the use of red and yellow colours is influential e.g. like blue is supposed to be calming. The red attracts you there, and the yellow makes you not want to stay so long, so another customer can fill your seat.
Not having enough time to prepare your own food (i.e. look after yourself) is associated with success/coolness by advertising.
My dad always said that Ronald McDonald is a child molester...