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  1. 19 Oct '10 07:13
    after 65 years!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8072041/Navy-aircraft-carrier-will-be-sold-after-three-years-and-never-carry-jets.html
  2. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    19 Oct '10 08:52
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    after 65 years!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8072041/Navy-aircraft-carrier-will-be-sold-after-three-years-and-never-carry-jets.html
    Apart from putting a billion Euros into the German economy and teaching the locals rugby I dont know what we are doing there!

    Did someone forget to tell the army the cold war is over?
  3. 19 Oct '10 08:56
    it's been over for a while.
  4. 19 Oct '10 14:39
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    it's been over for a while.
    Sssshhhh! Don't say that too loud! Some congress-critters might wake up and Lockheed Martin would have to pay more than they do already to lull them back to sleep.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    19 Oct '10 21:45
    Now if we could only get them out of Ireland .................................
  6. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    20 Oct '10 08:47
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Now if we could only get them out of Ireland .................................
    Please tell me you are not serious!
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    20 Oct '10 14:47
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Please tell me you are not serious!
    Please don't tell me that Brits seriously don't know they are still occupying Irish soil?

    Serious as these guys: http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/images/articulos/mil007.jpg
  8. 20 Oct '10 16:36
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Please don't tell me that Brits seriously don't know they are still occupying Irish soil?

    Serious as these guys: http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/images/articulos/mil007.jpg
    coffee cups?
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Oct '10 16:48 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Please tell me you are not serious!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAOW23GnFM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtbOfIpJ4YU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMspl_-nVI
    http://www.education.ne.gov/SS/irish/unit_2.html

    You're lucky that the Welsh don't realize that England was stolen from them.

    in the year of the Lord's incarnation, 1019...

    ...In the course of time, the usurping king Vortigern, to buttress the defence of the kingdom of Great Britain which he unrighteously held, summoned warlike men from the land of Saxony and made them his allies in the kingdom. Since they were pagans and of devilish character, lusting by their nature to shed human blood, they drew many evils upon the Britons.

    Presently their pride was checked for a while through the great Arthur, king of the Britons. They were largely cleared from the island and reduced to subjection. But when this same Arthur, after many victories which he won gloriously in Britain and in Gaul, was summoned at last from human activity, the way was open for the Saxons to go again into the islane, and there was great oppression of the Britons, destruction of churches and persecution of saints. This persecution went on through the times of many kings, Saxons and Britons striving back and forth...

    In those days, many holy men gave themselves up to martyrdom; others, in conformity to the Gsopel, left the greater Britain which is now the Saxon's homeland, and sailed across to the lesser Britain (Brittany).

    Ashe, Geoffrey, "The Landscape of King Arthur," Anchor Press Doubleday, London, 1985, p.103

    http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/goeznovius.html
  10. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    20 Oct '10 17:29
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Please don't tell me that Brits seriously don't know they are still occupying Irish soil?

    Serious as these guys: http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/images/articulos/mil007.jpg
    There are about a 1,000 UK troops in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK (the clue is in the name: "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

    According to the Good Friday Agreement (endorsed by UK, ROI and Northern Ireland political groups - including Sinn Fein) Northern Ireland will leave the UK when/if a majority of the people want to. (Its called democracy)

    You are living in the past if you think otherwise.
  11. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    20 Oct '10 17:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAOW23GnFM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtbOfIpJ4YU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMspl_-nVI
    http://www.education.ne.gov/SS/irish/unit_2.html

    You're lucky that the Welsh don't realize that England was stolen from them.

    in the year of the Lord's incarnation, 1019...

    ...In the course of time, the usurp Press Doubleday, London, 1985, p.103

    http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/goeznovius.html
    You believe in King Arthur?

    What next Robin Hood?

    You have a point about Wales being stolen by England though! It was annexed in the 1500's (I think).

    Scotland formed the United Kingdom with England voluntariliy in 1701 (ish)
    Ireland joined the UK in 1801 (ish)

    Hence the Union Flag of 1701 is made up of the crosses of St George and St Andrew while the current Union Flag of 1801 includes the cross of St Patrick.

    All above dates approximate and based on my failing memory.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Oct '10 17:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You believe in King Arthur?

    What next Robin Hood?
    I don't believe or disbelieve in Arthur. However I find him to be an extremely convenient symbol for communicating my prejudices against Anglos.

    Robin Hood was supposedly a Saxon fighting Normans wasn't he? Not an interesting symbol for me, though I suppose he's a symbol of class warfare.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Oct '10 17:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You are living in the past if you think otherwise.
    Israel's living 2,000 years in the past, but they made the past into the present - at gunpoint. It can be done.
  14. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    20 Oct '10 17:59
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I don't believe or disbelieve in Arthur. However I find him to be an extremely convenient symbol for communicating my prejudices against Anglos.

    Robin Hood was supposedly a Saxon fighting Normans wasn't he? Not an interesting symbol for me, though I suppose he's a symbol of class warfare.
    Depends which Hollywood movie you are talking about.

    I think the common perception of Arthur is as some medieval armour-clad king but the legends are based on Breton/Welsh/Celt folklore defending post-Roman Britain from invading Saxons.

    Regarding Robin Hood: he was probably a Yorkshire outlaw. (At the time the Sheriff of Nottingham had jurisdiction over Yorkshire so the stories got misplaced into Nottinghamshire!)
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    21 Oct '10 14:00
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    There are about a 1,000 UK troops in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK (the clue is in the name: "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

    According to the Good Friday Agreement (endorsed by UK, ROI and Northern Ireland political groups - including Sinn Fein) Northern Ireland will leave the UK when/if a majority of the people want to. (Its called democracy)

    You are living in the past if you think otherwise.
    Robbers calling their ill-gotten gains their property doesn't make it so.

    No agreement can nullify the right of a free people to resist foreign occupation and domination.