Originally posted by lsurocks1kneverknight-
want to understand the bible and ask us and we will give are views and you decide. but stay on topic.my name is christian GOD BLESS
With all due respect sir, will you tell me what has been said in this thread that is relevant to the extremely simple query here? The man asks for questions regarding the scripture. Have we seen one single question regarding scripture?
EDIT: ....not counting the assumptive scriptural question by RBHill. 😀
Let's take a look at your contribution, shall we? Since you
haven't asked a Scriptural question, we have to conclude that
you, too, aren't following the requested rules of the thread.
Originally posted by Omnislash
People who have no respect for the unique perspective of others mindlessly post their pointless propaganda.
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You will find no intelligent conversation to be had here my friend. Only hate filled and condemning comments intended to further a putrid agenda stinking up these forums from high heaven to low hell.
Well, why do you come back, huh? 'No intelligent conversation?' None?
Sounds a wee bit extreme, no? While I agree that there is a
fair bit of tripe here, there is a lot worthy of being read. You
have an opportunity to contribute to it, but you choose to condemn
all of Sodom without seeing if there are a few faithful left here
(cf. Genesis 18:16-33).
Did it ever occur to you that the starter of this thread might
be a troll himself? Have you seen his other posts?
I think that your dismissive attitude is arrogant. This may not
be the forum-utopia where only philosopher-kings interact, but
it's certainly not devoid of intellectual content.
Nemesio
Originally posted by KneverKnightI believe it is a question, offering information, actually:
want to understand the bible and ask us and we will give are views and you decide. but stay on topic.my name is christian GOD BLESS
There you have it Omnislash. Its rather a broad topic. Even without the "I" at the beginning.
Want to understand the Bible? Ask 'us' and 'we' will give our
views and you decide. But, stay on topic. My name is Christian.
God bless!
Originally posted by NemesioRE: Scriptural question.
Let's take a look at your contribution, shall we? Since you
haven't asked a Scriptural question, we have to conclude that
you, too, aren't following the requested rules of the thread.
Originally posted by Omnislash
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it's certainly not devoid of intellectual content.
Nemesio
Fine then. Lets discuss the message of the book of Job. What can we learn from the text? If this is not to your liking, pick any text you like. I am happy to have an intelligent discussion on scripture, as I believe I had infered earlier.
RE: the remainder of your post.
If you wish to call me a hypocrite based upon that I have commented upon the deviant behavior you are welcome to. I believe such an accusation is fallacious and a paradox, as I could make the same claim about your post. I am not condemning Sodom, I am condemning the immorality in it.
Quite frankly, I hope I do come off as arrogant. I hope I come off arrogant as hell. Anti-theistic behavior will no longer be tolerated in a gentlemanly manner by me. Disrespectful and intolerant behavior will no longer be tolerated by me in a gentlemanly manner. Unintelligent, unproductive, emotional propaganda will no longer to tolerated in a respectful and gentlemanly manner by me. It deserves none and it shall receive none from me. If this makes me arrogant, I am proud to be so.
Now then, if I am so incorrect then let me see some intelligent and respectful discussion within the topic parameters.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
Originally posted by telerionThe word of God says all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Athiest have faith there faith is in nothing, the Bible says that being a Christian you need the littlest of faith.
Sorry bud. God says you are wrong.
He said explicitly to me, "RBHILL has been deceived by preachers of hatred and death. While I approve of both hatred and death (I invented them; did I not?), RBHILL's fundamentalism is a mockery of the real me and an abomination. His twisted version of me is so far from the truth it really is sad, but then again ...[text shortened]... anything you've got to back you up. So I tell you:
Prove it. God says you are wrong.
Originally posted by Omnislash
Fine then. Lets discuss the message of the book of Job. What can we learn from the text? If this is not to your liking, pick any text you like. I am happy to have an intelligent discussion on scripture, as I believe I had infered earlier.
There was a discussion about this in one of Kirk's threads. Perhaps you
missed it, but I contributed (as well as many other people). If you can't
find it, let me know.
If you wish to call me a hypocrite based upon that I have commented upon the deviant behavior you are welcome to. I believe such an accusation is fallacious and a paradox, as I could make the same claim about your post. I am not condemning Sodom, I am condemning the immorality in it.
What you are doing is condemning this forum as devoid of any intelligent
conversation. I categorically reject this. While the majority might not
be intelligent, there are still a few faithful here who try. That is why
I used the Abraham-Sodom passage; there are still a few faithful here
and yet you condemn us all. That's crap, and you know it.
Quite frankly, I hope I do come off as arrogant. I hope I come off arrogant as hell. Anti-theistic behavior will no longer be tolerated in a gentlemanly manner by me. Disrespectful and intolerant behavior will no longer be tolerated by me in a gentlemanly manner. Unintelligent, unproductive, emotional propaganda will no longer to tolerated in a respectful and gentlemanly manner by me. It deserves none and it shall receive none from me. If this makes me arrogant, I am proud to be so.
Then you have descended to the levels of the so-called anti-theists.
They have won. You have become as spiteful, arrogant, and negative
as them. You have responded to their slap in the face with a slap of
your own. That's not what Jesus taught, as I recall.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioRE: Kirks thread
Originally posted by Omnislash
[b]Fine then. Lets discuss the message of the book of Job. What can we learn from the text? If this is not to your liking, pick any text you like. I am happy to have an intelligent discussion on script ...[text shortened]...
your own. That's not what Jesus taught, as I recall.
Nemesio
Then we can discuss a different passage/book if you wish.
RE: my alleged condemnation of the forum community entire
I think you should re-read my first post in this thread. I am NOT condemning everyone in the forums. I did not state what you have insinuated I stated.
I would like to tell you what my impressions and beliefs are right now. I believe that you misunderstood my initial post. I believe you took great personal offense at my statement, greatly due to your misunderstanding of my statement. This is my impression. Quite frankly, my intended point is not very far off from some comments you have made about the quantity of quality posts. Perhaps I could have expressed this better. Perhaps I could have been extrenuously specific. I am, however, a human being and as such I have limited capabilities of articulation and communication. Thusly, if you will carefully re-read my post you may see that I did not infer what you believe I did.
RE: turning the other cheek
Perhaps this should be our theological discussion. I assume you recall the passage about when Jesus found the money lenders doing business in the temple? I have slapped no body sir. Rather, I am attempting to overturn the tables, spill the coins, and stand up for what is right. I reserve the right to get angry, and I reserve the right to express that anger in its full force AS LONG as I am able to do so with an intelligent point and with intelligent purpose. If you're not angry, perhaps it's about time you became angry and tossed the money lenders out of your temple.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
Originally posted by Omnislash
I think you should re-read my first post in this thread. I am NOT condemning everyone in the forums. I did not state what you have insinuated I stated.
I have read your post many times. You wrote the following passage:
You will find no intelligent conversation to be had here my friend. Only hate filled and condemning comments intended to further a putrid agenda stinking up these forums from high heaven to low hell.
This is a blithe dismissal of all theological discussions. I categorically
reject this assessment of the debates forum. You are lumping all
posters in with those who write anti-theistic posts. Hence my reference
to Abraham.
You also wrote:
Quite frankly, I hope I do come off as arrogant. I hope I come off arrogant as hell. Anti-theistic behavior will no longer be tolerated in a gentlemanly manner by me. Disrespectful and intolerant behavior will no longer be tolerated by me in a gentlemanly manner. Unintelligent, unproductive, emotional propaganda will no longer to tolerated in a respectful and gentlemanly manner by me. It deserves none and it shall receive none from me. If this makes me arrogant, I am proud to be so.
You explicitly said that you would cease to be a gentleman towards
those who persecute theists. This runs contrary to Christian thought,
on a variety of levels. I reject this approach as it only serves to create
more discord in a community which (theoretically) you wish were more
peaceful. You are making a war out of it, and, in the end, it makes
you no better than the 'putrid antitheists.'
Quite frankly, my intended point is not very far off from some comments you have made about the quantity of quality posts.
You, yourself, said that you would cease being gentlemanly and
respectful. You may do what you wish, but just know that this is not
consistent with a Christian perspective.
I have slapped no body sir. Rather, I am attempting to overturn the tables, spill the coins, and stand up for what is right.
We are not in 'our Father's house,' are we? None of the so-called
anti-theists are posing as religious men. They are making challenges
and, perhaps, attacks on your faith tradition. They are persecutors,
not moneychangers.
And, indeed, you have slapped everyone in this forum. Some people
here, myself, pcaspian, ivanhoe, Wulebgr, Kirksey, RBHILL, and many
others genuinely try to have serious theological discussion. The
emphasis is on try and, yes, we all get a little excited sometimes. But
that doesn't mean that the points that we raise aren't with the best of
intentions. As much as I disagree with pcaspian, I believe that he is
genuine and I respect him for that. To say that he has made 'no
intelligent contribution' is a slap in his face. Is he perfect? No. But
he is doing the best that he can to present the theological ideas that
he holds dear, and your post is an insult to him.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI am at my wits end. I do not think I am capable of making my intent any more clear. You cite my posts out of context to further your point, despite the fact that I have directly stated that what you assert is not what I intended. I have attempted both in here and through personal messages to you to be a clear and concise as possible that you might understand what I am saying, but apparently your desire is only to perceive what you want to perceive.
Originally posted by Omnislash
[b]I think you should re-read my first post in this thread. I am NOT condemning everyone in the forums. I did not state what you have insinuated I stated.
I have read your post many times. You wrote the following passage:
You will find no intelligent conversation to be had here my friend. Only hate filled ...[text shortened]... present the theological ideas that
he holds dear, and your post is an insult to him.
Nemesio
Would you have me condone that which is wrong? Would you have me give an infered nod of approval in my silence when people are persecuted simply for their perceptions? Would you have me compromise that which is rational simply for the sake of being politically correct? Would you have me turn my back on reprehensible behaviour because it is easier to ignore the problem than to deal with it?
At my wits end I asked you, a supposed champion of understanding, to see my point of view and meet me half way. Alas, you depict me as a villian. You condemn me when my purpose is to refute the negative practices. So be it lad, so be it. If after all of my questing I am in the end villianized, far be it from me to argue with the masses. If this is the kind of forums you people want, you can have it. I will no longer stay in your way. I have done my best to fight for a web site that used to have a lot of meaning for me. Alas, it is not my site and my perception is now apparently in the minority. I will bother you people no more.
Best Regards and Finest Farewells,
Sean
Originally posted by OmnislashReally Omni you get all bent out of shape too easily.
I am at my wits end. I do not think I am capable of making my intent any more clear. You cite my posts out of context to further your point, despite the fact that I have directly stated that what you assert is not what I intended. I have attempted both in here and through personal messages to you to be a clear and concise as possible that you might underst ...[text shortened]...
Best Regards and Finest Farewells,
Sean
My post was simply pointing out the arbitrary nature of Arby Hill's claim to know God's will. By demonstrating that an entirely different conclusion could be achieved with just as much validity (or lack of), I was pointing out the flaw in making statements in the name of God. Any one can (and most people do) claim to know what god says. In my opinion, statements of this nature are so common and generally insubstantial that they make for poor arguments.
nemesio makes a good point. You are diverting from the OP as well. If you want to get back to the original post, then you should stop reprimanding everyone and post something like the following:
Everyone please stay on topic. Now I have a question about the bible, how did the 66 books in the common version of the bible come to regarded as one work? Under what authority were these compiled? And why should we believe that this authority correctly compiled the "Word of God"?
Originally posted by lsurocks1How do you follow God what made you become a Christian then?
yes i would go to heaven because i follow god in every ascpet. and everyone has sinned.
Edit: And what makes you believe that you follow God in every aspect?
Edit: And is following God that is what gets you in to Heaven and not Jesus, which Jesus said he is the way John 14:6?
Edit: Have you ever seen the Left Behind movies or read the Books?
Edit: And if you are still online you can click edit if you dont want to add another post. And also you could click on reply & Quote so we know who you are responding to.