@AverageJoe1 saidNon sequitur, fool.
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You say that Republicans are not concerned or interested? Do you know that Republicans make more charitable contributions than do Democrats? So here again, you are wrong right out of the Gate
@AverageJoe1 saidWould you put down the brown-bag booze for a moment and up your reading comprehension? Where do I say the Constitution requires the government ensure everyone has healthcare?
There is nothing in the constitution requiring the government to be sure that everyone has healthcare. So you are wrong right out of the gate. You just say that like it is the gospel. The gospel is what the law is. Right now, we are basically responsible for our own medical coverage. Yes, there are emergency rooms and care for the indigent, and of course free healthcare ...[text shortened]... reasoning on that. It’s like I would have to pay for your Healthcare. Does that sound right to you?
This is a matter of policy, you imbecile. The Constitution also does not require that the government provide veterans any healthcare, or that every child have access to an education. Yet it does.
People want better healthcare, and they want the federal government that they fund and trust to represent their interests to do something about it. That's how things work in a representative democracy. And yes, it is perfectly reasonable in a society for there to be socially funded institutions. Schools, the military, your Medicare, the roads you use that I don't, subsidies for farmers, Trump's Secret Service detail (sigh), and so on.
@Soothfast saidyou conflate wanting the govt to ensure health care with wanting the govt to provide heath care.
The responses from the right-wingers here certainly show that Trumpers and the GOP do not really care about the same things that the vast majority of ordinary Americans care about in their everyday lives.
Here's the reality: more than 70% of Americans feel the healthcare system is failing them according to a Harris poll (no, not that Harris):
https://time.com/6279937 ...[text shortened]... nt believes they are not entitled. This is the Republican mind's conception of justice, apparently.
“At the same time that Americans see a government role in ensuring universal U.S. healthcare coverage, they prefer that the nation’s healthcare system be based on private insurance rather than run by the government. Currently, 53% of U.S. adults prefer a private system, while 43% support a government-run system. Since 2010, when the measure was first tracked, the public has consistently favored private insurance, with just one exception: In 2017, U.S. adults were evenly divided in their preferences.“
https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx
@Mott-The-Hoople saidOnce you can identify where I "conflate" the two policies, get back to me.
you conflate wanting the govt to ensure health care with wanting the govt to provide heath care.
As a refresher, here's what I said: "Last month Gallup found that 62% of Americans 'think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.' Only 36% think otherwise."
I never said anything about the government providing healthcare. Though, here's a fun fact: the number of people on Medicare, Medicaid, or in a Veterans Benefits Administration program is around 160,000,000 -- almost half the country. I should think, therefore, that a poll of exclusively the "have-nots" left to the tender mercies of the private insurer racket would be more illuminating. Maybe.
But here's another thing: messaging. Americans have been pounded with an incessant drumbeat of scaremongering and distortions about "socialized medicine" by the extremely powerful private insurance industry for well-nigh half a century. I am not the least surprised by the poll you mentioned. The private insurers don't have a literal army of lobbyists in Washington for nothing.
Of course, American tourists are frequently impressed by the efficiency, modernity, and often free healthcare they receive in European countries if they have an accident. Legions of seniors in the US, often surreptitiously, get their pharmaceuticals from Canada or Mexico where they're sold far cheaper than the US. (Canada, by the way, has a universal healthcare system called Medicare that is a source of pride for the country.) Ask US employers how much they love having to provide healthcare to their employees (spoiler alert: they hate it). Ask employees how much they love being tethered to a job they hate because they can't afford to lose the healthcare benefits they get through their employer.
There is absolutely no excuse anymore to carry on with our broken, patchwork, chaotic, inefficient, feudal healthcare "system." I have no doubt that if Americans were given the facts about what the rest of the civilized world is up to on the matter, a solid majority would agree that not only should the government ensure everyone has coverage, it also should provide that coverage. No conflation here, buddy.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIsrael has universal healthcare. Shouldn't they be giving us money instead of the other way around?
shooting someone in the back is your coward
@Soothfast saidCorrect. Healthcare can be made into a public utility - highly regulated, price-controlled. Like water or gas or electric service. 😆
Once you can identify where I "conflate" the two policies, get back to me.
As a refresher, here's what I said: "Last month Gallup found that 62% of Americans 'think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.' Only 36% think otherwise."
I never said anything about the government providing healthcare ...[text shortened]... [/i] everyone has coverage, it also should provide that coverage. No conflation here, buddy.
Or, we can open up a free market where ANYONE can practice medicine or sell ANY drug for ANY price, and we turn cases of fraud and abuse over to the courts to sort out. I mean, we do that for car repair and it works, why not 'human body repair'?
But combining high regulation (low competition) with free market pricing is a disaster - and it would be for any system: car repair, utilities, anything. 😆
@Soothfast saidHere is where you say it, about 4 clicks back.
Would you put down the brown-bag booze for a moment and up your reading comprehension? Where do I say the Constitution requires the government ensure everyone has healthcare?
This is a matter of policy, you imbecile. The Constitution also does not require that the government provide veterans any healthcare, or that every child have access to an education. Yet it does.
People want better healthcare, and they want the federal government
Jeez. You libs are really angry. You just say anything. And I can't let your 'Americans want better healthcare' go. Hell, I want a. better car mechanic.
I will search for a better car mechanic. You need to search for an inusarnce company that suits you. Choice. This is America. Your post here seems like a raving socialist. I defy you to write a post without mentioning the government.
Quote of your saying it: "Would you put down the brown-bag booze for a moment and up your reading comprehension? Where do I say the Constitution requires the government ensure everyone has healthcare?"
@spruce112358 saidAverage Joe is not going to stand in a line with a bunch of illegals, for a Public Health Care utility. I will just find the best doctor in town and, with proper planning (not having too many kids, etc) I will get the best care.
Correct. Healthcare can be made into a public utility - highly regulated, price-controlled. Like water or gas or electric service. 😆
Or, we can open up a free market where ANYONE can practice medicine or sell ANY drug for ANY price, and we turn cases of fraud and abuse over to the courts to sort out. I mean, we do that for car repair and it works, why not 'human body ...[text shortened]... ee market pricing is a disaster - and it would be for any system: car repair, utilities, anything. 😆
Spruce puts health care in the same category as a Water Utility.
Your avatar,,,,,its all a joke.? It may be to you. You one of those free stuff guys, this forum is crawling with GimmeIt!!
@AverageJoe1 saidPublic water, public electric, and public gas is piped to your home. 😆
Average Joe is not going to stand in a line with a bunch of illegals, for a Public Health Care utility. I will just find the best doctor in town and, with proper planning (not having too many kids, etc) I will get the best care.
Spruce puts health care in the same category as a Water Utility.
Your avatar,,,,,its all a joke.? It may be to you. You one of those free stuff guys, this forum is crawling with GimmeIt!!
Why would public healthcare be any different? Bring back the 'house call.' Plumbers and electricians make house calls, why not doctors and nurses?
As for a private doctor, hire one if you want. But if you can ONLY hire from a government-regulated supply of doctors who prescribe government-approved medications monitored by government-run watchdogs from government-sanctioned pharmacies staffed by people with government-issued licenses DO NOT imagine that you are enjoying "a Free Market." 😆
@AverageJoe1
You know what I'm tired of? You getting a cold and dragging your sorry azz all over town, spreading germs, shopping for cheap medical care! You get sick - quarantine yourself! Stay in your room! Let the doctors come to YOU! Don't go spreading germs hither and yon like Typhoid Mary!!!
Imagine how healthy we would be if we just said 'No' to the free market and organized things PROPERLY! 😆
Socialism FTW!
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@AverageJoe1 saidDo you know that Republicans make more charitable contributions than do Democrats?
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You say that Republicans are not concerned or interested? Do you know that Republicans make more charitable contributions than do Democrats? So here again, you are wrong right out of the Gate
LOL, please show us a link for proof of this statement little liar joe boy? All money I've donated has never been kept track of by anyone or anything; when I give, I always give in cash; that includes tithes to God. So please enlighten us on how you kept track of this little liar joe boy? lol... what a joke! BTW, I don't think that you would give a DIME TO ANYONE FOR ANYTHING; Other than yourself or or own family, which is giving to yourself.
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@Soothfast saidwho else do you suggest pay
Once you can identify where I "conflate" the two policies, get back to me.
As a refresher, here's what I said: "Last month Gallup found that 62% of Americans 'think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.' Only 36% think otherwise."
I never said anything about the government providing healthcare ...[text shortened]... [/i] everyone has coverage, it also should provide that coverage. No conflation here, buddy.
then?
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@spruce112358 saidUhhhhhhh....quality medical care from highly professional physicians? A physician that knows everything about me in his brain? Get a knee replacement within one week of the diagnosis. Y'all brag about Canadian healthcare, it takes 6 months to get a new knee. I'm sorry you are unhappy with your situation....don't get sick, or hurt your knee!! I swear to you on everything that my 5 doctors Call ME for appointments. Will that occur in your communist world??
Public water, public electric, and public gas is piped to your home. 😆
Why would public healthcare be any different? Bring back the 'house call.' Plumbers and electricians make house calls, why not doctors and nurses?
As for a private doctor, hire one if you want. But if you can ONLY hire from a government-regulated supply of doctors who prescribe government-appro ...[text shortened]... d by people with government-issued licenses DO NOT imagine that you are enjoying "a Free Market." 😆
I think there is no question that you are pulling my leg, you do not believe a world like that for one second.
PS: Y'all love the word 'public', your first sentence above. Creepy. Do you, and your friends, not have one scintilla of independence in your body or psyche??
In Canada, the recommended wait time for a knee replacement is 182 days, or about six months, from the initial consultation to the surgery. However, wait times can vary by province:
@KingDavid403 saidA quote from an article: "", according to the New York Times, that counties which are “overwhelmingly Republican” report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated counties",
Do you know that Republicans make more charitable contributions than do Democrats?
LOL, please show us a link for proof of this statement little liar joe boy? All money I've donated has never been kept track of by anyone or anything; when I give, I always give in cash; that includes tithes to God. So please enlighten us on how you kept track of this little lia ...[text shortened]... ve a DIME TO ANYONE FOR ANYTHING; Other than yourself or or own family, which is giving to yourself.
The internet is covered with this fact. The whole country, I aint gonna search it for you. How bout you send us somethiing that Democrats are more charitable.
riiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhttt.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThere are no lies about Hegseth, only truth you don't want to hear.
is this the same propublica that just got caught trying to lie about Pete Hegseth?
If Epstein were still alive, Trump would get him on his cabinet, too.