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  1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    10 Nov '18 21:26
    On this Veterans Day/Armistice Day/Remembrance Sunday we
    remember the brave souls whose lives were lost in conflicts.

    The American Civil War was particuarly painful, many US soldiers
    died too in WW1 and WW2. Then there are the deaths in Iran, Iraq
    and god knows where else.

    But it is a sobering thought that the American lives lost in total in
    ALL wars is less than gun related deaths in US since 1968 some 100,000 less in fact.

    Shouldn't US have a special day to remember them?
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    10 Nov '18 23:51
    @wolfgang59 said
    On this Veterans Day/Armistice Day/Remembrance Sunday we
    remember the brave souls whose lives were lost in conflicts.

    The American Civil War was particuarly painful, many US soldiers
    died too in WW1 and WW2. Then there are the deaths in Iran, Iraq
    and god knows where else.

    But it is a sobering thought that the American lives lost in total in
    ALL wars is less ...[text shortened]... in US since 1968 some 100,000 less in fact.

    Shouldn't US have a special day to remember them?
    Conservatives send their "prayers" when innocent people die of gun violence. Due to their exclusive relationship with GOD, they are supremely confident that is all that is necessary.
    😵
  3. Standard membershavixmir
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    11 Nov '18 07:20
    17.000.000+ people died in WW1 and 60.000.000+ people died in WW2.

    I pretty much think that rembrance Sunday, especially on the 100th aniversery of Armistice day (end of WW1), is not the proper place or day to bring up American gun culture.

    How aweful it is, it’s pretty insignificant compared to Tannenberg, the Somme, Verdun, Stalingrad or the battle for Berlin.
  4. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    11 Nov '18 07:26
    @wolfgang59

    thumbs up
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    @wolfgang59 said
    On this Veterans Day/Armistice Day/Remembrance Sunday we
    remember the brave souls whose lives were lost in conflicts.

    The American Civil War was particuarly painful, many US soldiers
    died too in WW1 and WW2. Then there are the deaths in Iran, Iraq
    and god knows where else.

    But it is a sobering thought that the American lives lost in total in
    ALL wars is less ...[text shortened]... in US since 1968 some 100,000 less in fact.

    Shouldn't US have a special day to remember them?
    Why should the victim of a gun related murder be honored more than the victim of a knife related murder?
  6. Subscriberdivegeester
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    11 Nov '18 11:12
    I see Jeremy decided to sport his best hooded anorak for the Cenotaph service. 🙄
  7. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    11 Nov '18 11:14
    Wear your poppy, Papi. 🙂
  8. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @philokalia said
    Why should the victim of a gun related murder be honored more than the victim of a knife related murder?
    Are they?
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    @shavixmir said
    17.000.000+ people died in WW1 and 60.000.000+ people died in WW2.

    I pretty much think that rembrance Sunday, especially on the 100th aniversery of Armistice day (end of WW1), is not the proper place or day to bring up American gun culture.

    How aweful it is, it’s pretty insignificant compared to Tannenberg, the Somme, Verdun, Stalingrad or the battle for Berlin.
    It seems that whenever a gun incident rises to the surface of public attention, someone says now is not the proper place or time to debate or do anything about gun control. Can’t we see what motivates this response, or at least what is the effect? This is not how stop signs get put at intersections.
  11. SubscriberWajoma
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    @shavixmir said
    17.000.000+ people died in WW1 and 60.000.000+ people died in WW2.

    I pretty much think that rembrance Sunday, especially on the 100th aniversery of Armistice day (end of WW1), is not the proper place or day to bring up American gun culture.

    How aweful it is, it’s pretty insignificant compared to Tannenberg, the Somme, Verdun, Stalingrad or the battle for Berlin.
    I agree on this one, it's a shame that wolfgang chose this topic to whine about gun control in another country when he's being a boring whiny bytch about just that subject all over the board already.
  12. Standard membershavixmir
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    @js357 said
    It seems that whenever a gun incident rises to the surface of public attention, someone says now is not the proper place or time to debate or do anything about gun control. Can’t we see what motivates this response, or at least what is the effect? This is not how stop signs get put at intersections.
    I have no problem talking about gun control, as you well know.

    However, talking about it on remembrance Sunday, in a thread relating to remembrance Sunday and asking if gun related violence in the US deserves equal recognition... no.

    Probably just me.
  13. Subscriberdivegeester
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    @js357 said
    It seems that whenever a gun incident rises to the surface of public attention, someone says now is not the proper place or time to debate or do anything about gun control. Can’t we see what motivates this response, or at least what is the effect? This is not how stop signs get put at intersections.
    He’s not saying that this is not the proper time to debate gun control, nor is he suggesting not doing anything about it. He’s just suggesting not cluttering up every thread with the same old battle axe grinding American politics when there are other significant topics to be discussed. I also don’t think there is anything amiss with his motivations.
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    @shavixmir said
    17.000.000+ people died in WW1 and 60.000.000+ people died in WW2.
    The vast majority of those are innocent civilians, and are therefore not worth remembering on Veterans' Day. Do remember that Anglo-Saxon culture is not like ours; to them, soldiers are worth more than their victims.
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    @shallow-blue said
    The vast majority of those are innocent civilians, and are therefore not worth remembering on Veterans' Day. Do remember that Anglo-Saxon culture is not like ours; to them, soldiers are worth more than their victims.
    Wow, the spokesperson for an entire collective of nations, generations and cultures.
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