Originally posted by uzlessI can't speak for slappy, but my original idea had nothing to do with taking away people's benefits, just offering them an alternative. If they don't want it, fine, nothing changes. What do you think of my idea?
so if they never do it, then what do we as a society do with them? Because they'll have no money, no job, no home. Their kids will starve, maybe even die.
If you cut welfare off, thousands of people in each city would be on the streets 24/7. Crime would shoot way up. The city would be filthy.
Maybe we should just round 'em all up and put them in ...[text shortened]... ompany and a welfare person came in for an interview, would you give them the job? Ya right.
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Originally posted by uzlessA good half of the Welfare recipients in the USA are either drug addicts, alcoholics or simply slackers using the system to get over.
so if they never do it, then what do we as a society do with them? Because they'll have no money, no job, no home. Their kids will starve, maybe even die.
If you cut welfare off, thousands of people in each city would be on the streets 24/7. Crime would shoot way up. The city would be filthy.
Maybe we should just round 'em all up and put them in ompany and a welfare person came in for an interview, would you give them the job? Ya right.
Many welfare chilren are half starved as it is due to the money going to the parents habits.
We don't do the children of crackheads any favors by giving the parents money for food and rent .. the kids still go to bed hungry because the money goes for drugs / alcohol rather than to feed and nurture the children.
Welfare is a career-choice in the Cities of America.
The more babies you can drop .. the more we'll pay you.
It's a way 'around' the system' .. simply play the victim, act stupid and get paid.
No effort required, just register and vote as a Democrat to insure payment.
Thousands of people are on the streets already .. spending there Welfare checks on drugs and alcohol. The Cities ARE filthy and crime couldn't shoot up much more if we tried.
I don't know if "most" people on Welfare choose to be .. but a very large portion of them certainly do.
If cut-off I have no idea what they'd do and really don't care. That's what we pay the police to take care of.
If I owned a Company (I have, but sold it)) and a Welfare recipient came in to interview for a job .. 1st .. i'd be very very surprised, but if they were the most qualified to do the job then they would get the job.
That's how business works, you want to hire the most qualified .. not the most needy. It's all about self-interest in the business world.
Welfare reciients should be drug tested and cut off it tested positive .. we'd save billions right there.
Originally posted by jammer"If cut-off I have no idea what they'd do and really don't care."
Easy to manipulate a quote huh?
Perhaps you need it spelled out? It appears its all about self interest in both the business and personal world. I thought you would have made the connection without the neccesity of a long winded explanation. Perhaps not.
Originally posted by jammerAfter being cut off, what would they do? Lie down and die? I don't think so. Society would go completely out of control wouldn't it? Crime statistics would go through the roof. Do you realise how much devastation can be caused by just one heroin addict going on a theiving spree?
A good half of the Welfare recipients in the USA are either drug addicts, alcoholics or simply slackers using the system to get over.
Many welfare chilren are half starved as it is due to the money going to the parents habits.
We don't do the children of crackheads any favors by giving the parents money for food and rent .. the kids still go to bed hungry b ...[text shortened]... e drug tested and cut off it tested positive .. we'd save billions right there.
Originally posted by uzlessAre you claiming to be be the only person on Earth that doesn't put his / her self-interest above all?
"If cut-off I have no idea what they'd do and really don't care."
Perhaps you need it spelled out? It appears its all about self interest in both the business and personal world. I thought you would have made the connection without the neccesity of a long winded explanation. Perhaps not.
It may be in your "self-interest" to portray yourself as the compassionate person on this issue. Maybe it helps you to feel good about yourself, no matter, it's still counter-productive.
You aren't helping someone by giving them food day after day .. you are creating a dependent, which of course is the whole point of the Welfare system in the USA.
Building a base for the Democrat Party.
Originally posted by twiceaknightFind a job or go hungry I guess .. what would you do?
After being cut off, what would they do? Lie down and die? I don't think so. Society would go completely out of control wouldn't it? Crime statistics would go through the roof. Do you realise how much devastation can be caused by just one heroin addict going on a theiving spree?
Society wouldn't go out of control .. cut-off crackhead Welfare reciepients would ... and when crackheads go off all they do is freak out, they don't have the strength, will-power or know-how to do anything else.
It doesn't matter what they do, they are already a drag on society .. throwing money at them just enables them to continue along the path to self-distruction .. and takes a lot longer .. not to mention they reproduce baby crackheads in there spare time.
One herion addict on a crime spree is solved by .. one bullet to the forehead ... about half a dollar.
Originally posted by jammerNot at all. But I don't mind the fact the less than 1% of the money I pay in taxes goes to support people who can't take of themselves. I'd much rather have them off the street with the chance for a new life...whether they take advantage of that chance or not, at least I've done my part.
Are you claiming to be be the only person on Earth that doesn't put his / her self-interest above all?
It may be in your "self-interest" to portray yourself as the compassionate person on this issue. Maybe it helps you to feel good about yourself, no matter, it's still counter-productive.
You aren't helping someone by giving them food day after day .. y ...[text shortened]... the whole point of the Welfare system in the USA.
Building a base for the Democrat Party.
Originally posted by jammerI like how you overstate how many "crackheads" make up the total amount of welfare cases.
Find a job or go hungry I guess .. what would you do?
Society wouldn't go out of control .. cut-off crackhead Welfare reciepients would ... and when crackheads go off all they do is freak out, they don't have the strength, will-power or know-how to do anything else.
It doesn't matter what they do, they are already a drag on society .. throwing money at the ...[text shortened]... n addict on a crime spree is solved by .. one bullet to the forehead ... about half a dollar.
Go down to your local welfare office and count how many "Crackheads" are there. You will be suprised, or should I say dissappointed.
Originally posted by uzlessSo, you don't really give a crap about the people themselves .. you'd rather pay them off to get them "off the streets" so you don't have to see (confront) them.
Not at all. But I don't mind the fact the less than 1% of the money I pay in taxes goes to support people who can't take of themselves. I'd much rather have them off the street with the chance for a new life...whether they take advantage of that chance or not, at least I've done my part.
Pay them to go away, forgetting the fact that you have to pay them every month for a lifetime .. and then the crackhead babies continue the cycle.
Throw 'em a bone and you've "done your part"
How nice for you to be able to clear your conscience so cheaply.
It's a bargain at half the price .. move to the 'burbs and pay your taxes .. if you don't actually SEE those crackbabies they don't really exist.
Afterall .. you've "done your part"
Originally posted by uzlessYeah .. let's do that .. i'd suggest we check out the many Branch Offices in Detroit, Michigan, USA.
I like how you overstate how many "crackheads" make up the total amount of welfare cases.
Go down to your local welfare office and count how many "Crackheads" are there. You will be suprised, or should I say dissappointed.
All the crackheads we find, you'll take across the bridge into Canada .. we'll keep the rest.
OK with you?
Originally posted by jammerFind a job or go hungry? Break into my or your house and go and get some more smack is more likely i think. I agree that they are a pain whatever we do. My house got broken into by smackheads (or so it was assumed by the police) last year, and no doubt they were receiving welfare. But i still think taking the welfare away would make these people more alienated, excluded and desperate.
Find a job or go hungry I guess .. what would you do?
Society wouldn't go out of control .. cut-off crackhead Welfare reciepients would ... and when crackheads go off all they do is freak out, they don't have the strength, will-power or know-how to do anything else.
It doesn't matter what they do, they are already a drag on society .. throwing money at the ...[text shortened]... n addict on a crime spree is solved by .. one bullet to the forehead ... about half a dollar.
Originally posted by jammerDude, that's your weakest argument yet.
So, you don't really give a crap about the people themselves .. you'd rather pay them off to get them "off the streets" so you don't have to see (confront) them.
Pay them to go away, forgetting the fact that you have to pay them every month for a lifetime .. and then the crackhead babies continue the cycle.
Throw 'em a bone and you've "done your part"
Ho ...[text shortened]... those crackbabies they don't really exist.
Afterall .. you've "done your part"
By giving them welfare, we allow them to NOT live in the streets, and obtain a minimum standard of living. It's not about "not seeing" them as you put it. 🙄
And FFS, do yourself a favour and stop calling people on welfare crackheads who have crackhead babies. I don't know what city you live in but most welfare recipients ARE NOT CRACKHEADS. You look stupid every time you say that.
By the way, I live in downtown Toronto, not the city. I see people on welfare all the time.
I don't advocate cutting them off welfare, shipping them overseas, or putting a bullet in their head as some of you have.
Originally posted by PhilodorWell, just between you, me and the little pied wagtails, I lost my temper and brutally eviscerated someone who was annoying me on a chess forum. The chances of that ever happening again are naturally very remote. Say, where did you say you lived?
What were you sent to prison for?