There are now things schools are keeping from parents, much like those who abuse children by telling them to keep secrets from parents and others. What if schools started baptizing children into various religious denominations and told the kids to keep quiet about it, would that be acceptable? How is treating something like personal perspectives on what sex someone is, is a fair thing that parents have no right to know, or choices of pronouns, but other ways to identify oneself are not?
@kellyjay saidYour society has brought that upon itself. You have abdicated your responsibility as a parent and given it to the schools and government. This has only happened in the last 30 to 40 years. Thankfully I still live in a society in which the most important determinant of a childs future are the parents, not the schools, not the governments, not celebrities, not social media.
There are now things schools are keeping from parents, much like those who abuse children by telling them to keep secrets from parents and others. What if schools started baptizing children into various religious denominations and told the kids to keep quiet about it, would that be acceptable? How is treating something like personal perspectives on what sex someone is, is ...[text shortened]... t parents have no right to know, or choices of pronouns, but other ways to identify oneself are not?
It started when your society started condemning God and religion. The state then took over from God. Your society took a nosedive at that point.
@kellyjay saidKeeping a child’s secrets from an abusive / religiously delusional parent is the school fulfilling its duty of care. Of course it’s not going to sit well with the abusive and the religiously delusional third party
There are now things schools are keeping from parents, much like those who abuse children by telling them to keep secrets from parents and others. What if schools started baptizing children into various religious denominations and told the kids to keep quiet about it, would that be acceptable? How is treating something like personal perspectives on what sex someone is, is ...[text shortened]... t parents have no right to know, or choices of pronouns, but other ways to identify oneself are not?
@rajk999 saidI believe your right.
Your society has brought that upon itself. You have abdicated your responsibility as a parent and given it to the schools and government. This has only happened in the last 30 to 40 years. Thankfully I still live in a society in which the most important determinant of a childs future are the parents, not the schools, not the governments, not celebrities, not social media. ...[text shortened]... ng God and religion. The state then took over from God. Your society took a nosedive at that point.
@kevcvs57 saidYou assume abuse and delusions, but if secrets can be kept from parents why not things that may cause abuse from those with delusions that have to do with anti-religious parents?
Keeping a child’s secrets from an abusive / religiously delusional parent is the school fulfilling its duty of care. Of course it’s not going to sit well with the abusive and the religiously delusional third party
@kellyjay saidYou assume none, there will be a reason why a pupil does not want to share some of their decisions with a parent or guardian.
You assume abuse and delusions, but if secrets can be kept from parents why not things that may cause abuse from those with delusions that have to do with anti-religious parents?
You would leave them with nowhere to turn as long as the school colludes with the prejudices of the parent / guardian and to hell with the pupils choices or mental and physical health
Try to remember that that these are the pupils choices and preferences not the parents or the schools
@mott-the-hoople saidNothing it’s when you force it upon them and restrict their personal choices according to its precepts and prejudices
what is “ abusive” about teaching a child Christianity?
Try to answer what is written and not your imaginings
@kellyjay saidI'm scared that people sit around thinking this stuff up.
There are now things schools are keeping from parents, much like those who abuse children by telling them to keep secrets from parents and others. What if schools started baptizing children into various religious denominations and told the kids to keep quiet about it, would that be acceptable? How is treating something like personal perspectives on what sex someone is, is ...[text shortened]... t parents have no right to know, or choices of pronouns, but other ways to identify oneself are not?
Can't you just go watch TV or something?
@suzianne saidBut is not the OP an interesting take on the school issues, of the control that is exercised by teachers? That, what if after they let them choose their gender and keep it quiet from parents, what is to stop them from convincing a baptist child to change over to Church Scientist, or Seventh Day Adventist?
I'm scared that people sit around thinking this stuff up.
Can't you just go watch TV or something?
I would think Suzianne would say, "Yeah, I do like the idea of their doing the gender and liberal curriculum, but I don't think that they should indoctrinate children away from the religion that their parents are raising them in"
Then, after saying that, to explain why one is OK but not the other. I will start, by saying that neither should be allowed. What do you, Suzianne, think on this matter. It would be fine if Shav give his point of view as well.
@rajk999 saidKellyJay is suggesting that we force schools to report to parents about a behavior that amounts to words spoken by a child. This gives schools more power not less.
Your society has brought that upon itself. You have abdicated your responsibility as a parent and given it to the schools and government. This has only happened in the last 30 to 40 years. Thankfully I still live in a society in which the most important determinant of a childs future are the parents, not the schools, not the governments, not celebrities, not social media. ...[text shortened]... ng God and religion. The state then took over from God. Your society took a nosedive at that point.
@averagejoe1 saidThere is no "indoctrination" going on in elementary schools.
But is not the OP an interesting take on the school issues, of the control that is exercised by teachers? That, what if after they let them choose their gender and keep it quiet from parents, what is to stop them from convincing a baptist child to change over to Church Scientist, or Seventh Day Adventist?
I would think Suzianne would say, "Yeah, I do like the idea o ...[text shortened]... at do you, Suzianne, think on this matter. It would be fine if Shav give his point of view as well.
It's this fairy-tale telling that I am talking about.
It's not scary enough for you, so you have to invent something to make people afraid of it for political points. This is why Republicans are awful people.
@mott-the-hoople saidThis may come as an utter shock to you, but children have their own personhood.
Well you shouldnt say it if you cant stand behind it.
A child BELONGS to the parents, end of story.
They are not just a "mini-me" copy of you. Stop living through your child and forcing him to do what YOU want. He is not you, and you are not him. Give him that much basic respect.
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@wildgrass saidNo, it gives the parents the power. Knowledge is power, and if the schools keep stuff to themselves they have the power.
KellyJay is suggesting that we force schools to report to parents about a behavior that amounts to words spoken by a child. This gives schools more power not less.