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@AverageJoe1
That is your manta. I guess you will be saying that long after your god king is in prison washing clothes in the prison laundry.
You are one pathetic small man with nothing on your so called brain. You don't want or have the inclination to actually look at the charges yourself so you are intellectually lazy among other negative traits wanting US to do your search for you.
So what is next from you? Courts now corrupt? Of course they were not pronounced corrupt when it was Roger Stone's turn in court and got ALSO convicted of felonies or Manifort or Flynn, all traitors to the US but no doubt they are some of your buddies.
So why is NOW the court going to be called corrupt? Could it be because you think, despite your protestation, that Trump is above the law.
No matter WHAT evidence shows up you are still with the insurrectionist crowd.
I think you only feel sorry for not being there smashing windows and cops on Jan. 6.

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@jj-adams said
I was going to say the same, he cherry picked the most innocuous phrases in the article to make it sound like the guy was totally harmless, even after two terms in state prison.
Even so, no1 totally missed the point, Bragg is giving lifetime career criminals easy outs and one dollar bonds, etc, while wasting time going after Trump.
How come he's not offering Trump the same?
I had to read twice, but it seems by asking for same treatment you're assuming here that Trump is a lifetime career criminal?


@no1marauder said
No, he didn't.
yes, he did

"In an indictment and other documents unsealed Tuesday, prosecutors say Trump falsified internal business records at his company about a payoff to a porn actor in order to keep a potentially damaging story from coming to light as he campaigned for the presidency in 2016. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said it was Trump’s effort to cover up crimes related to that election that allowed prosecutors to charge the 34 counts as felonies. "

https://apnews.com/article/trump-indictment-legal-analysis-bragg-election-law-3cf41eb0cc5de0146840a436e49cfccc


@mott-the-hoople said
yes, he did

"In an indictment and other documents unsealed Tuesday, prosecutors say Trump falsified internal business records at his company about a payoff to a porn actor in order to keep a potentially damaging story from coming to light as he campaigned for the presidency in 2016. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said it was Trump’s effort to cover up crim ...[text shortened]... news.com/article/trump-indictment-legal-analysis-bragg-election-law-3cf41eb0cc5de0146840a436e49cfccc
The indictment doesn't state what the predicate crime was. There are numerous possibilities besides Federal laws such as NY tax fraud, campaign violations, etc.

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@no1marauder said
The indictment doesn't state what the predicate crime was. There are numerous possibilities besides Federal laws such as NY tax fraud, campaign violations, etc.
exactly!!! you are a fukin joke

the indictment doesnt state

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@mott-the-hoople said
exactly!!! you are a fukin joke

the indictment doesnt state
It doesn't state what the predicate crime(s) is/are i.e. the crime(s) which increase the Falsifying Business Records count from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Nor does it have to.


In fact, a person can be convicted of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree even if the jury finds them not guilty of the predicate crime:

" "A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof" (Penal Law § 175.10). Although the jury acquitted defendant of insurance fraud, which is the crime the People alleged that defendant intended to commit or conceal by falsifying business records, the jury could "convict defendant of falsifying business records if the jury concluded that defendant had intended to commit or conceal another crime, even if he was not convicted of the other crime" (People v McCumskey, 12 A.D.3d 1145, 1146 [4th Dept 2004]; see People v Crane, 87 A.D.3d 1386, 1386 [4th Dept 2011], lv denied 17 N.Y.3d 952 [2011])."

https://casetext.com/case/people-v-holley-137

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@no1marauder said
It doesn't state what the predicate crime(s) is/are i.e. the crime(s) which increase the Falsifying Business Records count from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Nor does it have to.
It is an insufficient indictment, Marauder. Protect your creds, man!

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@AverageJoe1
Well, no one will tell us the crime. Then, who would have been the victim if there were a crime? Or at least tell us what Trump's intent was? Where's the beef? Does everyone here realize that in 2017 he was trying to influence a 2016 election.???????? hahahaha . ALL of you have no traction. ALL of you.

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@no1marauder said
The indictment doesn't state what the predicate crime was. There are numerous possibilities besides Federal laws such as NY tax fraud, campaign violations, etc.
Possibilities.???? I ask what is the crime, you say possibilities

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@no1marauder said
It doesn't state what the predicate crime(s) is/are i.e. the crime(s) which increase the Falsifying Business Records count from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Nor does it have to.
you are looking like a fool little man


@mott-the-hoople said
you are looking like a fool little man
You, AJ and the rest are pathetically ignorant and proud of it.

You guys should write me a check if you want any more expert analysis.

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@no1marauder said
You, AJ and the rest are pathetically ignorant and proud of it.

You guys should write me a check if you want any more expert analysis.
when I need to know more about dog shyt I will holler ay you

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@averagejoe1 said
It is an insufficient indictment, Marauder. Protect your creds, man!
I'll wager you any sum you desire that it will not be found insufficient on its face because it does not state the predicate crime raising the charge of Falsifying a Business Record from the Second Degree to the First Degree.

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We should run an over/under pool here with the number of counts that Trump ias actually convicted of.

I'd suggest 4. and I'll take the under.

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