Holy socks! An extra £43bn is a lot of spondookage to throw at health care and not see any tangible results in outcomes or quality of care:
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2953425.ece
According to this guy, the NHS needs a massive overhaul:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/12/do1206.xml
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOld news D.
Holy socks! An extra £43bn is a lot of spondookage to throw at health care and not see any tangible results in outcomes or quality of care:
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2953425.ece
According to this guy, the NHS needs a massive overhaul:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/12/do1206.xml
By the very nature of the health service its always going to cost the tax payer.
They employee too many consultants (not dr's) to fix things and ech one justifyies their money by a new grand scheme
I think we (as in British tax [payers) will be moving to a mixture of private and public health care.
Already, if I'm ill I move straight away onto private via company health insurance and try and reduce burden
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterNo amount of money will ever solve all the inherent problems of a private health care system.
I understand this: No amount of money will ever solve all the inherent problems of a single-payer health care system.
So take money out of the equation and debate the merit of health care for all.
Originally posted by uzlessI think RMSA1234 said it all with
No amount of money will ever solve all the inherent problems of a private health care system.
So take money out of the equation and debate the merit of health care for all.
"Already, if I'm ill I move straight away onto private via company health insurance and try and reduce burden"
No debate needed.
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Originally posted by uzlessThis is exactly what I've been advocating uzless, stop taking money off me to pay for others.
No amount of money will ever solve all the inherent problems of a private health care system.
So take money out of the equation and debate the merit of health care for all.
Do you have any ideas on how to operate this system of yours without money, should doctors and nurses just do it out of selflessness, are you going to donate some of the very expensive machinery out of selflessness, will contractors build hospitals out of selflessness, or will you need men with guns to force it to happen.
"There are more doctors and nurses, more intensive care beds and scanners, better hospitals, shorter waiting times, fewer heart deaths, improved cancer treatment, and better mental health care. The NHS is delivering more care to more people, more quickly and, on at least some measures, medical treatment has brought improved health."
Yeah, terrible news, guys. With jeremiads like that, we'd better switch to the 79th best system in the world without delay.
It's absolutely hilarious that opponents of socialized medicine can find solace in those reports - quite apart from the fact that a right-wing organ like that has the huge embarrassment of having to report substantial progress on the ground, the specific problems they cite have nothing whatsoever to do with the principle of socialized medicine, any more than waiting times did ten years ago (no-one mentions that issue much any more - funny, that).
Originally posted by AmauroteSounds like a script from Monty Python, or the pipe-dream of a desicated socialist.
[b]"There are more doctors and nurses, more intensive care beds and scanners, better hospitals, shorter waiting times, fewer heart deaths, improved cancer treatment, and better mental health care. The NHS is delivering more care to more people, more quickly and, on at least some measures, medical treatment has brought improved health."
Originally posted by Cartan* desiccated
Sounds like a script from Monty Python, or the pipe-dream of a desicated* socialist.
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou're right that money isn't going to solve the problem. The problem stems from the fact that the government has recently had too much of a say as to how it's run. The NHS used to be run by the doctors, and now it's run by bureaucrats (which is where funds are now siphoned off to).
I understand this: No amount of money will ever solve all the inherent problems of a single-payer health care system.
The answer is to let the NHS run itself rather than kick it around like the political football that it has been for the past decade.
