When does a person become of one country?

Originally posted by shavixmir
It would depend on what they're breaking in for, wouldn't it?
Say they were starving and breaking in to get food?

And if they were sitting in a field, which was hypothetically mine, then I certainly wouldn't prosecute.

You can't own land.

It would depend on what they're breaking in for, wouldn't it?

no, why would it?
the law is a tool of the ruling classes to impose their will on the people.

If I want to break into your house thats ok, because the nazis made bad laws that should have been broken, the nuremberg trials give me the right to disobey any law I want.

why do I have to work if I can just break into my neighbor's house and steal their money and food?

Originally posted by Seitse
Many times, here and somewhere else, I've heard people speaking about
non native people of their country in terms of "not having the right to whine"
about their adoptive country. Usually is the typical redneckism of "what
the hell did they come for in the first place?".

Funny, those targeted by these comments are usually of different skin color ...[text shortened]...
of their new country? After they shout patriotic gibberish and wave the flag?

When?

You have the right to do or say what you want.

But they also have a right to tell you to go back where you came from if you don't like it.

Two way street.

Originally posted by torch71
You have the right to do or say what you want.

But they also have a right to tell you to go back where you came from if you don't like it.

Two way street.

O.k., so why don't you go from where your family came from?

Unless you are the grandson of Sitting Bull, you should really be
careful with this subject.

Originally posted by Seitse
O.k., so why don't you go from where your family came from?

[b]Unless you are the grandson of Sitting Bull, you should really be
careful with this subject.[/b]

And you are ok to say that and you don't hear me whining about it like yourself.😉

Originally posted by torch71
And you are ok to say that and you don't hear me whining about it like yourself.😉

I am not the one whining about immigration.

So, from which country is your family and how did they get into the country?

Originally posted by Seitse
I am not the one whining about immigration 😉

No your are whining about the people that tell you to go home if you don't like it.

Originally posted by torch71
No your are whining about the people that tell you to go home if you don't like it.

When? Where?

I don't care about Americans telling me that because, for a start, I am not in the U.S.

All I said is do not be a hypocrite and do not be ignorant. You lack any moral
entitlement to tell other immigrants, like yourself, that they should leave... unless,
as said, you are First Nations.

Originally posted by Seitse
When? Where?

I don't care about Americans telling me that because, for a start, I am not in the U.S.

All I said is do not be a hypocrite and do not be ignorant. You lack any moral
entitlement to tell other immigrants, like yourself, that they should leave... unless,
as said, you are First Nations.

Not at all if you don't like the country you live in, than leave, it has nothing to do with morals, or skin color, or your nationality. If the magority are in favor and you do not like it you live with it, or you can whine forever, or you can leave.

Originally posted by torch71
Not at all if you don't like the country you live in, than leave, it has nothing to do with morals, or skin color, or your nationality. If the magority are in favor and you do not like it you live with it, or you can whine forever, or you can leave.

Wrong. If you don't like the country you live in and stay in it, you do your part
to change it. And that includes criticizing what you don't like.

Your civic value is that of a toaster. Nice citizen you are, bleh

Originally posted by Seitse
[b]Wrong. If you don't like the country you live in and stay in it, you do your part
to change it. And that includes criticizing what you don't like.

Your civic value is that of a toaster. Nice citizen you are, bleh[/b]

Love how you always go right to the insulting. Have I insulted you in any way? Shows your true nature.

And if I may ask, if you are not from the U.S. and if you don't live in the U.S., why does it seem to touch your heart so badly.

Originally posted by torch71
Love how you always go right to the insulting. Have I insulted you in any way? Shows your true nature.

And if I may ask, if you are not from the U.S. and if you don't live in the U.S., why does it seem to touch your heart so badly.

1. Insulting? Pointing out your poor civic values is insulting?
Please argument this claim. You're getting desperate, dude.

2. How do you know I am not from the U.S.?

3. Regardless of nr. 2: it doesn't "touch my heart". It's 1.07 a.m.
here and I can't sleep. I am also posting in the private forum about
videogames and I will follow up with some threads in the sports
forum about Maradona. I guess, in your views, Maradona touches
my heart, lulz 😛

Originally posted by Seitse
1. Insulting? Pointing out your poor civic values is insulting?
Please argument this claim. You're getting desperate, dude.

2. How do you know I am not from the U.S.?

3. Regardless of nr. 2: it doesn't "touch my heart". It's 1.07 a.m.
here and I can't sleep. I am also posting in the private forum about
videogames and I will follow up with some thr ...[text shortened]... sports
forum about Maradona. I guess, in your views, Maradona touches
my heart, lulz 😛

And because of my views on this topic, I have the values of a toaster, ok right not insulting.

Also I have read numerous posts on this topic and you have started a few, so you can admit it is near and dear to your heart.

Originally posted by torch71
And because of my views on this topic, I have the values of a toaster, ok right not insulting.

Also I have read numerous posts on this topic and you have started a few, so you can admit it is near and dear to your heart.

1. I have judged your "if you don't like it then leave" affirmation as lacking any
civic values and democratic principles of political participation for the
improvement of community life. A toaster lacks those values as well. Would it
be less offensive if I say that your civic values are those of a pencil?

2. Just like football, stamps from the WWII, and B movies. Many other subjects
are "close to my heart" as well, under that logic. So?

Originally posted by torch71
And because of my views on this topic, I have the values of a toaster, ok right not insulting.

Also I have read numerous posts on this topic and you have started a few, so you can admit it is near and dear to your heart.

I happen to like seitse boy and know him a bit, I think. I sincerely beleive he means no harm. That said, however, I agree with you that whining about where one lives is unseemly, bad form and indicative of deep ingratitude. You have the right to point these things out regardless of seitse's implication you can only do so if you are descended from sitting bull because you are a citizen and the whiing visitors are not. Plain and simple. I nevr visit anyone's home as a guest and complain about the meal being served. I'd never be invited again. Do these folks have a right to complain? Under the 1st amendement they do, but we have as much right to express disliking what they say despite seitse's opinion!