Many times, here and somewhere else, I've heard people speaking about
non native people of their country in terms of "not having the right to whine"
about their adoptive country. Usually is the typical redneckism of "what
the hell did they come for in the first place?".
Funny, those targeted by these comments are usually of different skin color or
practice a religion which is not mainstream, but that's another subject. The question
is:
After working, paying taxes, and even getting a citizenship of the country they
immigrated to, when does a person "become" of that country and, hence, gains
the right to participate actively in his/her new country's politics, including making
criticisms to it?
After the citizenship certificate is issued?
After one generation? After two? After how many?
After they get whiter or they adopt the mannerisms and the mainstream values
of their new country? After they shout patriotic gibberish and wave the flag?
When?
Originally posted by SeitseBut it seems for some that indeed it must be earned...
I'm with you on that one.
But it seems for some that indeed it must be earned. Let's see how those usual
suspects try to argue their bigotry in a rational manner.
If that is possible at all, of course.
who are you referring to?
Originally posted by generalissimoThere are many examples, here and beyond.
[b]But it seems for some that indeed it must be earned...
who are you referring to?[/b]
But if you really need an example, you can start with Thread 121789
Originally posted by Seitseerm, but those people are in the country illegally.
There are many examples, here and beyond.
But if you really need an example, you can start with Thread 121789
don't you think they should be sent back to where they came?
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Originally posted by generalissimoBy whose legality? Unless you're of Indigenous descent, you and your ancestors were in the same boat.
erm, but those people are in the country [b]illegally.
don't you think they should be sent back to where they came?[/b]
There has always been a Great American Hypocrisy by immigrants who, once they got here, wanted to say "But I belong here! Yeah! And what you're doing is - is - ILLEGAL! Yeah!", and close the door behind them.
Nice to know the GAH is alive and well and cloaked with the veil of Security!
Originally posted by Badwaterlets not get ridiculous, please.
By whose legality? Unless you're of Indigenous descent, you and your ancestors were in the same boat.
There has always been a Great American Hypocrisy by immigrants who, once they got here, wanted to say "But I belong here! Yeah! And what you're doing is - is - ILLEGAL! Yeah!", and close the door behind them.
Nice to know the GAH is alive and well and cloaked with the veil of Security!
shall we also say that we all have the right to the citizenship of some african country because our ancestors from God knows when came from africa? no.
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Originally posted by generalissimoIt is not ridiculous simply because it doesn't fit in your national view.
lets not get ridiculous, please.
shall we also say that we all have the right to the citizenship of some african country because our ancestors from God knows when came from africa? no.
Originally posted by SeitseFirst off it is very bad manners and rude to criticize your host. Most immigrants are here because things were not quite rosy where they come from. Us Americans, a nation of immigrants, embrace one and all with open arms. Redneckism, as you call it, is engaging in the very behavior you deplore for you happen to be judging people by their color. Can't have it both ways. Being of one country is a state of mind. Can never be of the adopted country while maintaining allegiance to the country of origin. Lastly, I feel strongly that those of same ethnicity happen to be the worst towards their own kind. It starts off with the idea of victimhood and anti-education. Brwon skinned kids frequently are scoffed at by other borwn skinned kids for "being too white" if they happen to excel academically. LULAC and like organizations waste too much by way of time and resources combatting "Yo quiero Taco Bell" dogs instead of adressing issues of gangs, brown on brown crime, teen pregnancy, absent fathers, alcohol abuse, domestic violence and the biggest dropout trate of any ethnic minority. In my school district the speahead for combatting dropouts happens to be white, probably a redneck by your standards. He is devoted to helping anyone regrdless of color, ethnicity, national origin, immigrant status, gender. It does not matter for failure impacts us all. Lastly, visitors, permanent or otherwise have the right to whine as much as they want. They don't have a right to be embraced for whining!
Many times, here and somewhere else, I've heard people speaking about
non native people of their country in terms of "not having the right to whine"
about their adoptive country. Usually is the typical redneckism of "what
the hell did they come for in the first place?".
Funny, those targeted by these comments are usually of different skin color ...[text shortened]...
of their new country? After they shout patriotic gibberish and wave the flag?
When?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
The Alien and Sedition Acts were four bills passed in 1798 by the Federalists in the 5th United States Congress, who were waging an undeclared naval war with France, later known as the Quasi-War. They were signed into law by President John Adams. Proponents claimed the acts were designed to protect the United States from alien citizens of enemy powers and to stop seditious attacks from weakening the government.
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There were actually four separate laws making up what is commonly referred to as the "Alien and Sedition Acts"
1. The Naturalization Act (officially An Act to Establish a Uniform Rule of Naturalization; ch. 54, 1 Stat. 566) extended the duration of residence required for aliens to become citizens to 14 years. Enacted June 18, 1798, with no expiration date, it was repealed in 1802.
2. The Alien Friends Act (officially An Act Concerning Aliens; ch. 58, 1 Stat. 570) authorized the president to deport any resident alien considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States." It was enacted June 25, 1798, with a two year expiration date.
3. The Alien Enemies Act (officially An Act Respecting Alien Enemies; ch. 66, 1 Stat. 577) authorized the president to apprehend and deport resident aliens if their home countries were at war with the United States of America. Enacted July 6, 1798, and providing no sunset provision, the act remains intact today as 50 U.S.C. § 21–24. At the time, war was considered likely between the U.S. and France.
4. The Sedition Act (officially An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States; ch. 74, 1 Stat. 596) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials. It was enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801.