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@Mott-The-Hoople said
little things like facts doesnt matter with marerider 😉
This map goes into each state's cause of maternal mortality as of 2024, and the differences have nothing to do with abortion laws, wonder if whatshisface will even bother looking at it.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state

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Even NPR has covered this, turns out that maternal mortality is nowhere near what's claimed:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/13/1238269753/maternal-mortality-overestimate-deaths-births-health-disparities

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@Rajk999 said
Some people just dont know how to lose gracefully.

Dont you think its time to shut up now ?
Says an assshole who is not even American, so KISS our collective asses you POS.

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@Cliff-Mashburn said
Even NPR has covered this, turns out that maternal mortality is nowhere near what's claimed:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/13/1238269753/maternal-mortality-overestimate-deaths-births-health-disparities
So how many MORE women will die because of the draconian abortion laws like I Texas and Georgia, now up to THREE who could have been saved if those assshole laws were not in place.
I wonder if YOUR support for Trump will ebb if YOUR pocket book gets rifled by rising prices only because of the coming Trump 50% tariff?
Here is MY prediction: So Trump invokes that stupid stupid tariff and I bet dimes to donuts that TESLA cars now manufactured in China will magically NOT have that tariff and also all the crap Trump is hawking like his bible and all the rest ALL made in China, THOSE items will NOT be subject to that up front tax.

THAT would piss off his puppet master Musk AND cost Trump himself money from dropped sales of his crap so no tariff on that stuff.

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@sonhouse said
So how many MORE women will die because of the draconian abortion laws like I Texas and Georgia, now up to THREE who could have been saved if those assshole laws were not in place.
What three women have died because they were denied an abortion?
I'm betting you can't provide the details, and if you do, it's NOT because they were forced to carry a baby to full term.

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@Cliff-Mashburn said
What three women have died because they were denied an abortion?
I'm betting you can't provide the details, and if you do, it's NOT because they were forced to carry a baby to full term.
You really are a malicious bastard. You know full well who those women were and why they died. They died as a DIRECT result of the draconian abortion laws in Texas and Georgia.
But for a card carrying racist like you, this last one is black so no big deal anyway, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/27/texas-abortion-death-porsha-ngumezi/

She WANTED that baby you POS. She was denied the care she would have gotten a couple of years ago before those absolute ASSSHOLES passed those laws I can't even find the right words to describe.
I have no doubt you could give a rats ass how many women die refused the care they need just to stay alive.

Both of the other two women also WANTED their baby but they miscarried and was refused the D&C ANY woman before those laws would have gotten as a matter of course so all three got sepsis while the doctors waited for her to be so bad they had to try to save their lives but failed because they were so scared of being put in jail themselves.
A GREAT way to run health care.

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@sonhouse said
You really are a malicious bastard. You know full well who those women were and why they died. They died as a DIRECT result of the draconian abortion laws in Texas and Georgia.
But for a card carrying racist like you, this last one is black so no big deal anyway, right?

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/27/texas-abortion-death-porsha-ngumezi/

She WANTED that baby ...[text shortened]... failed because they were so scared of being put in jail themselves.
A GREAT way to run health care.
She didn't die because she was denied an abortion. Like you say, she wanted the baby.
She died because of medical malpractice. The doctor was incompetent. Her death had nothing to do with abortion laws.
Try again.

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@Cliff-Mashburn said
She didn't die because she was denied an abortion. Like you say, she wanted the baby.
She died because of medical malpractice. The doctor was incompetent. Her death had nothing to do with abortion laws.
Try again.
You really are a POS and I would LOVE to tell that to your ugly face.
ALL three women died of SEPSIS and if you don't know what that is fuuking GOOGLE it.
They would NEVER have gotten sepsis even 10 years ago because with a miscarriage the routinely do a D&C to get rid of the last of the bits from the fetus and such and without that they WILL get sick because an infection sets in in hours without it.
The doctors were LITERALLY afraid to do that absolutely needed procedure but could not because of the fuuking abortion laws recently passed.
So nice try assshole, it WAS the law that killed them and there is nothing you can EVER say or do that will change that AND there will be more.

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@Cliff-Mashburn said
Maternal mortality rates have always varied from state to state. They have NOT "skyrocketed" and I doubt if they've changed at all. Claiming there's a correlation with abortion policies as the causative factor is retarded. Not one case is mentioned of a woman dying because she was forced to carry a child to term.
Well, your doubts are not backed by the data as you would know if you had even glanced at the link I provided:

"The researchers found that states with the higher score of abortion policy composite index had a 7% increase in total maternal mortality compared with states with lower abortion policy composite index."

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@no1marauder said
Well, your doubts are not backed by the data as you would know if you had even glanced at the link I provided:

"The researchers found that states with the higher score of abortion policy composite index had a 7% increase in total maternal mortality compared with states with lower abortion policy composite index."
your link is from 2015…and has zero varifiable data

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@Mott-The-Hoople said
your link is from 2015…and has zero varifiable data
Actually it's from this year, using official government data for the period 2015 to 2018 and the name of the study and where to find the published, peer reviewed article is given in the link.

Reading helps.

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@sonhouse said
She WANTED that baby you POS. She was denied the care she would have gotten a couple of years ago before those absolute ASSSHOLES passed those laws I can't even find the right words to describe.
I have no doubt you could give a rats ass how many women die refused the care they need just to stay alive.

Both of the other two women also WANTED their baby but they miscarried ...[text shortened]... failed because they were so scared of being put in jail themselves.
A GREAT way to run health care.
I'm confused....you claim abortion laws are to blame, then you go on to say all three women WANTED their babies and didn't seek abortions. Their deaths were the result of some sort of malpractice during and after delivery.
So how TF can you blame their deaths on abortion laws?

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Since maternal mortality is far higher for childbirth than legal abortion (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22270271/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Legal%20induced%20abortion%20is,Level%20of%20evidence%3A%20II.) it makes logical sense that impediments to abortion would raise the maternal mortality rate.

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@AverageJoe1 said
Question..,,I am a bit out of the loop on women who get pregnant with a baby and then change their minds, and resort to asking the fed govt to something about it. It is a state matter.
Some people move to a state that has no income tax. Why don’t these women move to a state that aborts babies?

A lib cannot answer this question. Further, libs get personally upset w Avzjoe all the time for asking questions. It is just a question, why get hit about it?
There is no rational reason for a person's right to have an abortion to be protected (vs not) solely at the level of the states. 😆

"Medical privacy in the United States is primarily protected at the federal level through the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), which sets a baseline for privacy standards, but many states also have their own laws that can provide additional protections beyond HIPAA, meaning that medical privacy is protected at both federal and state levels depending on the specific regulations involved; with state laws generally only applying when they offer greater privacy protection than HIPAA."

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@no1marauder said
Since maternal mortality is far higher for childbirth than legal abortion (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22270271/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20Legal%20induced%20abortion%20is,Level%20of%20evidence%3A%20II.) it makes logical sense that impediments to abortion would raise the maternal mortality rate.
Fair enough.
Now point out ONE woman that has died as the result of being denied an abortion, which you claim is happening, instead of pointing out women that have died as a result of malpractice who never sought an abortion, which has NOTHING to do with your argument.