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    12 Feb '18 23:16
    I've often wondered where the line is drawn between the righteous citizen and the evil 1%?

    At what monetary value does one become the 1%?

    For the Marxist, at what monetary value does the proletariat end and the bourgeoisie begin?

    And where does George Soros fit in all this?
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    12 Feb '18 23:33
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I've often wondered where the line is drawn between the righteous citizen and the evil 1%?

    At what monetary value does one become the 1%?

    For the Marxist, at what monetary value does the proletariat end and the bourgeoisie begin?

    And where does George Soros fit in all this?
    Call me crazy but I think folks like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Henry Ford, etc., all made my life really a lot better. They were like a blessing to us.

    I hate to be THAT guy who points out the basic, basic truth about what Capitalism and the elites ahve given us... But that's the case.

    Sure, some fo these elites are theoretically wastrels who have done some bad but...

    ... I'll trade third world dictatorship, starvation, and collective farms for smartphones where I occasionally read about the horrible news of decadent billionaires any day of the week. To do otherwise is illogical.
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    13 Feb '18 00:15
    The 1% is not who the MSM has you thinking it is...

    https://capitalresearch.org/article/party-one-percent/
  4. Behind the scenes
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    13 Feb '18 01:385 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I've often wondered where the line is drawn between the righteous citizen and the evil 1%?

    At what monetary value does one become the 1%?

    For the Marxist, at what monetary value does the proletariat end and the bourgeoisie begin?

    And where does George Soros fit in all this?
    Whodey - This has nothing to do with drawing lines, it has to do with wealthy people purchasing political power and using that power to pass laws beneficial to only them. It has to do with rich people able to afford better quality legal representation and healthcare than everyone else. It has to do with rich people enriching themselves further by exploiting the working class. It has to do with rich people operating in the grey, murky world of offshore shell companies, streams of income from no traceable source, and teams of lawyers they hire to manipulate our laws to avoid paying their fair share in taxes.

    This is too complicated for you, isn't it Whody? In your eyes rich people are angels of heaven who walk on water, and the working class is simply a large mass of jealous malcontents that never work and all want "free stuff", and anyone who question the wisdom of the rich is a "Marxist" It must be nice to live in your simple little bumper sticker soundbite world.🙄
  5. Unknown Territories
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    13 Feb '18 02:18
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whodey - This has nothing to do with drawing lines, it has to do with wealthy people purchasing political power and using that power to pass laws beneficial to only them. It has to do with rich people able to afford better quality legal representation and healthcare than everyone else. It has to do with rich people enriching themselves further by exploiting ...[text shortened]... is a "Marxist" It must be nice to live in your simple little bumper sticker soundbite world.🙄
    Ouch.

    I don't know what's worse: the gross oversimplification or the nearly complete inaccuracy of the otherwise unsupported generalities.

    That it is suggested that those in power will pass laws which only benefit themselves--- and by inference--- hurts or at least serves no benefit to others with less power is a one-dimemsional self-serving lie.

    It is as dishonestly naïve a suggestion as the inherent nobility of the poor.
  6. Behind the scenes
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    13 Feb '18 02:22
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Ouch.

    I don't know what's worse: the gross oversimplification or the nearly complete inaccuracy of the otherwise unsupported generalities.

    That it is suggested that those in power will pass laws which only benefit themselves--- and by inference--- hurts or at least serves no benefit to others with less power is a one-dimemsional self-serving lie.

    It is as dishonestly naïve a suggestion as the inherent nobility of the poor.
    Ouch - I'm so very sorry the truth hurts! 😲
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    13 Feb '18 03:20
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whodey - This has nothing to do with drawing lines, it has to do with wealthy people purchasing political power and using that power to pass laws beneficial to only them. It has to do with rich people able to afford better quality legal representation and healthcare than everyone else. It has to do with rich people enriching themselves further by exploiting ...[text shortened]... is a "Marxist" It must be nice to live in your simple little bumper sticker soundbite world.🙄
    But you make it sound so simple when you complain about the 1%.

    Are you suggesting that you have misled people with such simplicity?
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    13 Feb '18 03:39
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whodey - This has nothing to do with drawing lines, it has to do with wealthy people purchasing political power and using that power to pass laws beneficial to only them. It has to do with rich people able to afford better quality legal representation and healthcare than everyone else. It has to do with rich people enriching themselves further by exploiting ...[text shortened]... is a "Marxist" It must be nice to live in your simple little bumper sticker soundbite world.🙄
    Yes, and it is also about the growing gap between the uber rich and the decrease in upward economic mobility in the United States.
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    13 Feb '18 04:10
    Originally posted by @phranny
    Yes, and it is also about the growing gap between the uber rich and the decrease in upward economic mobility in the United States.
    Ok, where is the line to be drawn to become "uber"?
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    13 Feb '18 05:21
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Ouch.

    I don't know what's worse: the gross oversimplification or the nearly complete inaccuracy of the otherwise unsupported generalities.

    That it is suggested that those in power will pass laws which only benefit themselves--- and by inference--- hurts or at least serves no benefit to others with less power is a one-dimemsional self-serving lie.

    It is as dishonestly naïve a suggestion as the inherent nobility of the poor.
    Are you suggesting rich lobby groups and lobby groups for the rich don’t have more say in government policy that the normal voter?

    Are there more or less people living in poverty in the US now than in the 90’s, 70’s, 50’s?

    Can someone without money become an elected representative in the Senate?

    If so, how many elected senators come from families who lived below the poverty line? That, I believe is 1/7th of the US population.
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    13 Feb '18 09:52
    Originally posted by @whodey
    But you make it sound so simple when you complain about the 1%.

    Are you suggesting that you have misled people with such simplicity?
    Are you suggesting that you have misled people with such simplicity?


    No Whodey, I'm suggesting you go back and read again what I wrote, and consider that it's the plain truth.
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    13 Feb '18 09:55
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Ok, where is the line to be drawn to become "uber"?
    If you really think there is a hard line anywhere, or that 'the left' pretends there is, you are even more stupid.d. than you look.

    If you don't think that, asking for one means you're even more dishonest.
  13. Unknown Territories
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    13 Feb '18 12:40
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Ouch - I'm so very sorry the truth hurts! 😲
    Reality and truth contradict the fantastic prism of this heinous perspective.
    I'll give you and shav how there def are some clearly malevolent powerful people completely intent on manipulating the less powerful and thereby hurting them whilst progressing their own benefits--- the soulless criminal George Soros comes to mind immediately--- but even in their twisted and poisoned minds, they are convinced they're doing what they're doing for other's own good.

    And such a immature and wholly unsophisticated view has no answer for folks such as Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, both of whom are working tirelessly to alleviate some of the pitfalls of the human condition.

    Contrast what they're doing with the actions of Soros.
    One side looks to solve problems (right, wrong or neutral) while the other looks to make problems in order to stir and steer toward their vision of utopia.
    One, benevolent.
    Other, malevolent.

    The world contains both.

    Those in between, who think the game ends here, are the ones causing most of the problem.
    Unaccustomed to wealth, power, they get a taste and their greed takes over, so they will game the system in order to both maintain and increase their position.
    Formally, they're known as politicians.
    Here, the ratio is heavily weighted in the direction of socio- and psychopathic people.
    However, they don't come to the dance with any of the necessary fodder for their manipulative cannons.
    They show up and we lavish it all on them.
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    13 Feb '18 12:46
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Whodey - This has nothing to do with drawing lines, it has to do with wealthy people purchasing political power and using that power to pass laws beneficial to only them. It has to do with rich people able to afford better quality legal representation and healthcare than everyone else. It has to do with rich people enriching themselves further by exploiting ...[text shortened]... is a "Marxist" It must be nice to live in your simple little bumper sticker soundbite world.🙄
    Well said McHill 🙂
  15. Standard membershavixmir
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    13 Feb '18 13:21
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Are you suggesting rich lobby groups and lobby groups for the rich don’t have more say in government policy that the normal voter?

    Are there more or less people living in poverty in the US now than in the 90’s, 70’s, 50’s?

    Can someone without money become an elected representative in the Senate?

    If so, how many elected senators come from families who lived below the poverty line? That, I believe is 1/7th of the US population.
    I hear the whining... but I don’t see the questions being answered.

    Is that because the answers don’t fit the agenda?
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