If one brings in tax and the other doesn't?
Well, the UK decided to get rid of the one that dose. Phasing out the legal age for smoking, but not even telling the constituents that processed meat (which gives no tax) has the same carcinogenic class rating.
It's weird isn't it? I am wondering why.
Maybe there's been pressure from somewhere to reduce smoking? Or maybe it's more likely to be accepted by the public? Or they don't agree with the World Health Organisation? Or it's to do with the tourism industry?
Links (how do you post a link that links outside and isn't youtube on daily chess?)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/stopping-the-start-our-new-plan-to-create-a-smokefree-generation/[WORD TOO LONG].
The government is creating the first smokefree generation, by bringing forward legislation so that children turning 14 this year or younger will never be legally sold tobacco products. This will prevent future generations from ever taking up smoking, as there is no safe age to smoke.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat
Processed meat was classified as Group 1, carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean?
This category is used when there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in humans. In other words, there is convincing evidence that the agent causes cancer. The evaluation is usually based on epidemiological studies showing the development of cancer in exposed humans.
In the case of processed meat, this classification is based on sufficient evidence from epidemiological studies that eating processed meat causes colorectal cancer.
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Maybe it's something to do with the fact that meat is a source of nutrition and doesn't become a cancer risk without processing (which is optional and avoidable) whereas smoking tobacco causes nothing but harm.
The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
@kewpie saidWhere did you get this info?
@yo-its-me
Maybe it's something to do with the fact that meat is a source of nutrition and doesn't become a cancer risk without processing (which is optional and avoidable) whereas smoking tobacco causes nothing but harm.
The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
Dude said:
"The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
Even the tobacco nazis 'tobaccoinaustralia' admit they can't put a number on this.
Of course there is enjoyment to be had from having a smoke. But because kewpie doesn't understand that he's only too ready to enlist the services of goobermint thugs to force his dream feelings. Better to create black markets and get gangs involved.
@wajoma saidNow the killer tobacco corporations get the wajoma cuddle
Where did you get this info?
Dude said:
"The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
Even the tobacco nazis 'tobaccoinaustralia' admit they can't put a number on this.
Of course there is enjoyment to be had from having a smoke. But because kewpie doesn't understand that he's only too ready to enlist the services of ...[text shortened]... oobermint thugs to force his dream feelings. Better to create black markets and get gangs involved.
People going to jail for selling cocaine and heroine but the tobacco pushers could end up with a knighthood, welcome to wajomaville 🙄
@kewpie saidMaybe. Maybe the government is confused about it. It did take years for the knowledge about smoking to be well known. In the UK ham and sausages have only recently been dropped from the recommended food for children advice. Many many years ago it was thought that smoking improved breathing. So maybe the UK banning processed meats is simply delayed.
@yo-its-me
Maybe it's something to do with the fact that meat is a source of nutrition and doesn't become a cancer risk without processing (which is optional and avoidable) whereas smoking tobacco causes nothing but harm.
The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
@yo-its-me saidMaybe you can eat processed meat without harming the vegetarian who happens to be walking past when your eating it
Maybe. Maybe the government is confused about it. It did take years for the knowledge about smoking to be well known. In the UK ham and sausages have only recently been dropped from the recommended food for children advice. Many many years ago it was thought that smoking improved breathing. So maybe the UK banning processed meats is simply delayed.
Maybe processed meat is non addictive unlike tobacco or crack cocaine
If people insist on smoking tobacco they should go through the same black market rigmarole that I have to go through to get my weed. The reason they are not stopping access for current smokers is that they recognise the addictive nature of tobacco
@yo-its-me saidMaybe the goobermint is confused? You sure said it. Not all processed meats are created equally, and when goobermint starts waving the big stick around there are going to be unintended consequences, there is home cured ham, and homemade sausage which is completely fine, they're creating a problem where there isn't one so nothing new there.
Maybe. Maybe the government is confused about it. It did take years for the knowledge about smoking to be well known. In the UK ham and sausages have only recently been dropped from the recommended food for children advice. Many many years ago it was thought that smoking improved breathing. So maybe the UK banning processed meats is simply delayed.
BTW some processed meats may increase the chance of cancer is the correct wat to state it. If you have a piece of the traditional christmas ham chances are you're not going to get cancer. This is the same with tobacco, there are people that smoke in moderation that live long healthy lives. Don't fall for their lies and exaggerations the way kewpie has.
@kevcvs57 saidYes, maybe you're right. This brings logic to the decision. Not stopping the public from self-destruction, and recognising dependence/addiction. I hadn't thought of that.
Maybe you can eat processed meat without harming the vegetarian who happens to be walking past when your eating it
Maybe processed meat is non addictive unlike tobacco or crack cocaine
If people insist on smoking tobacco they should go through the same black market rigmarole that I have to go through to get my weed. The reason they are not stopping access for current smokers is that they recognise the addictive nature of tobacco
@wajoma saidWell it's not a lie that my own father died of stomach cancer 25 years ago. I always thought this was because he smoked like a chimney, but he also ate a lot of black pudding, sausages, ham, steak, butter and eggs. And it was stomach cancer which had spread to his lungs and before the end, had spread all over. Not lung cancer.
Maybe the goobermint is confused? You sure said it. Not all processed meats are created equally, and when goobermint starts waving the big stick around there are going to be unintended consequences, there is home cured ham, and homemade sausage which is completely fine, they're creating a problem where there isn't one so nothing new there.
BTW some processed meats may inc ...[text shortened]... ation that live long healthy lives. Don't fall for their lies and exaggerations the way kewpie has.
@yo-its-me saidIt may increase the chances of... it is not a sentence. It does not cause cancer because then everyone would die of stomach cancer. The lie is that it causes cancer when the truth is it may increase the chances of.
Well it's not a lie that my own father died of stomach cancer 25 years ago. I always thought this was because he smoked like a chimney, but he also ate a lot of black pudding, sausages, ham, steak, butter and eggs. And it was stomach cancer which had spread to his lungs and before the end, had spread all over. Not lung cancer.
It could have been something else altogether.
Same with tobacco.
@yo-its-me saidAnd this 'sin' tax mentality, doesn't the hypocrisy hit you in the face like a 4x2.
If one brings in tax and the other doesn't?
The state tries to modify the behavior of people by punishing them with tax. Then why are they taxing good things, are they trying to dissuade people from doing good things too?
BTW goobermint taxes everything, often multiple times, the production and sale of meat, processed or not, is taxed at every step of the way.
@wajoma saidNow here you are calling Kewpie "dude" and "he".
Where did you get this info?
Dude said:
"The tax collected from smokers doesn't come close to the health costs of smoking.
Even the tobacco nazis 'tobaccoinaustralia' admit they can't put a number on this.
Of course there is enjoyment to be had from having a smoke. But because kewpie doesn't understand that he's only too ready to enlist the services of ...[text shortened]... oobermint thugs to force his dream feelings. Better to create black markets and get gangs involved.
What is wrong with you that you can't show basic human respect to people?
