Originally posted by der schwarze RitterBut surely a democratic state's core values, history and culture would be based on a fair degree of tolerance?
All right -- just for you I will rephrase my debate question: Should Western democracies tolerate bureaucrats whose values are antithetical to the state's core values, history and culture?
Originally posted by shavixmirRacist? I think you are confusing race with religion, and as for 'kicking in his teeth' you sound like an uncouth yobbo who cannot take a joke.
The cartoonist was arrested and let free.
Seemingly the complaints didn't warrant an arrest and he was free to go.
However, the cartoonist is deeply racist. I don't think he should be arrested, but I'd have no problem kicking his teeth in for him.
Originally posted by shavixmirArrested for Thought Crime? Are they arresting people who laughed at the cartoons for Face crime?
The cartoonist was arrested and let free.
Seemingly the complaints didn't warrant an arrest and he was free to go.
However, the cartoonist is deeply racist. I don't think he should be arrested, but I'd have no problem kicking his teeth in for him.
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamStatistics still don´t look good for you. You said 25% mainly Islamic. That article quotes 14% non-western. Non-western includes Australia, New Zealand, China and whole host of other non-Islamic countries.
You're right...this article lists 14% of Oslo as being non-western immigrants. Still a hefty proportion. Guess who's commiting almost 70% of the rapes in Oslo?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
One other statistic is that the article is seven years old. The statistics I gave you are from this year. Net immigration is down slightly on last year.
That aside a little over 70 immigrants charged (not convicted) of rape in 2001 in a capital city. How does your local city compare.
I can tell you that there is a higher proportion of Somalians committing rape in Oslo than their numbers, statistically, should be. No definitive answer as to why though. I think we should find one because then something could be done about it.
Originally posted by WheelySeriously, you don't know why? Perfect example of doublethink.
I can tell you that there is a higher proportion of Somalians committing rape in Oslo than their numbers, statistically, should be. No definitive answer as to why though. I think we should find one because then something could be done about it.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamCould you share the results of your analysis with us. I presume you, like normal, reasonable people will have done some kind of study before coming to a specific conclusion.
Seriously, you don't know why? Perfect example of doublethink.
EDIT: Do you also have an explanation as to why the north of Norway has much higher incidents of rape charges than the national average and has hardly got any immigrants at all. While your on a roll you could tell me why only 30% of people charges with rape actually end up in court and convicted. Sorry lots to think there but you seem to already have an answer to the first question so I thought you might be able to handle some more.
Originally posted by WheelyJust google Africa Rape and look at the statistics for yourself. It's an epidemic that's part of everyday life. It always has been, it's nothing new.
Could you share the results of your analysis with us. I presume you, like normal, reasonable people will have done some kind of study before coming to a specific conclusion.
EDIT: Do you also have an explanation as to why the north of Norway has much higher incidents of rape charges than the national average and has hardly got any immigrants at all. Whi ...[text shortened]... already have an answer to the first question so I thought you might be able to handle some more.
I can't imagine the horror of Scandinavian women being raped by the Somalians their government has allowed in the country. You'd think they would want to start hanging the politicians responsible.
Originally posted by shavixmirHe was arrested, but not charged and he still awaits trial. This is very Kafkaesque.
The cartoonist was arrested and let free.
Seemingly the complaints didn't warrant an arrest and he was free to go.
However, the cartoonist is deeply racist. I don't think he should be arrested, but I'd have no problem kicking his teeth in for him.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamOK, aside from the fact that we´re not talking about Africa, lets say you´re right and it´s a part of every day life for Somalians (and not other Africans for some reason). That doesn´t really help us. So I ask you again, why would it be part of every day life and what could be done about that.
Just google Africa Rape and look at the statistics for yourself. It's an epidemic that's part of everyday life. It always has been, it's nothing new.
I can't imagine the horror of Scandinavian women being raped by the Somalians their government has allowed in the country. You'd think they would want to start hanging the politicians responsible.
Secondly, most Scandinavian rape victims are raped by Scandinavian men. I think the politicians had to let them in.
Originally posted by WheelyAmerica..Canada...Europe...wherever you find Africans, be they first generation immigrants or 10th generation citizens, you will find a much, MUCH higher incidence of rape occuring. No exceptions. Why? Doublethink allows us to blame ourselves in some weird way. Must be our own fault, because the obvious answer is racist.
OK, aside from the fact that we´re not talking about Africa, lets say you´re right and it´s a part of every day life for Somalians (and not other Africans for some reason). That doesn´t really help us. So I ask you again, why would it be part of every day life and what could be done about that.
Secondly, most Scandinavian rape victims are raped by Scandinavian men. I think the politicians had to let them in.
And with that, I'm done with this thread, before the cry babys start complaining.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamYou mustn´t blame yourself! I doubt it´s your fault.
America..Canada...Europe...wherever you find Africans, be they first generation immigrants or 10th generation citizens, you will find a much, MUCH higher incidence of rape occuring. No exceptions. Why? Doublethink allows us to blame ourselves in some weird way. Must be our own fault, because the obvious answer is racist.
And with that, I'm done with this thread, before the cry babys start complaining.
The statistics regarding how this thread has been going related to Somalians not Africans in general. Also, it is slightly higher than the average in Oslo though it´s a bit difficult to be sure because we´re only talking about eight to ten people convicted.
I thought you wanted to suggest it was Muslims in general though and it seems we have both moved a long way from that position. I imagine you´ll be very pleased to hear that your initial concerns regarding Islam, sexual abuse and the over running of Norway are all not backed up by the facts.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamPersonally I can't see the U.S. being bothered about this Sam..25% is such a small figure.Islam is a fantastic religion that is indeed spreading..(For better or worse )..trend?...reverseal? Opinion has nothing to do with it....besides why did you leave the Rogue Knights?.A small mail to explain would of been nice?
OK. With 25% of Oslo'a population now immigrants from non-western (mainly Islamic) countries, how's that working out? Is Oslo better or worse off than before?
How long do they project before the population is more than 50% muslim? What's that going to be like? What's Europe going to be like if the trend isn't reversed?
Originally posted by Sam The ShamYou have stats for that? I'm having trouble finding such stats. This is the best source of race-rape stats I can find and it's not very helpful.
America..Canada...Europe...wherever you find Africans, be they first generation immigrants or 10th generation citizens, you will find a much, MUCH higher incidence of rape occuring. No exceptions. Why? Doublethink allows us to blame ourselves in some weird way. Must be our own fault, because the obvious answer is racist.
And with that, I'm done with this thread, before the cry babys start complaining.
http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html
Originally posted by shavixmirBased on google's translation of the page, I'd probably try to beat you to it.
The cartoonist was arrested and let free.
Seemingly the complaints didn't warrant an arrest and he was free to go.
However, the cartoonist is deeply racist. I don't think he should be arrested, but I'd have no problem kicking his teeth in for him.