@spruce112358 saidHe didn't stop the election process.
You cannot 'peacefully' stop the US election process. That is not peace. 😆
You can protest against the results, but you cannot physically try to stop the process. As soon as you try to stop it, or incite people to stop it, that's an insurrection.
Close. 😆
Trump is like Mussolini and Hitter. So close!
You cannot stop peaceful protests of election fraud and jail them. That is what dictatorships do.
@Metal-Brain saidNOT a "couple of loonies', you continue in your quest to rewrite history.
There was no coordinated effort to bring guns. Just a couple of loonies.
And why didn't the FBI catch the DC pipe bomber? Because they planted it. The FBI broke one of the doors, not protesters. It was an inside job to make it look violent to fool you.
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/news/500000-reward-remains-in-effect-for-information-about-capitol-hill-pipe-bomber
There was proven a hotel room nearby with lots of weapons inside ready to go if Trump had said KILL THOSE MFUUKERS.
And they WOULD HAVE.
So don't EVEN try this BS innocence crap.
They were ready to go at a moments notice and try explaining away the car loaded with Molotov cocktails. Good luck with that.
Those were not hell bent for leather 'loonies' they were seasoned warriors ready to pull the trigger on violence had Trump said GO.
@Metal-Brain saidYou refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE the REASON for that "civil disobedience' which was to DISRUPT THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.
@sonhouse
Trump said to protest peacefully.
So Trump was like Gandhi.
The only person killed was an unarmed small woman that was no threat to anyone. Ashli Babbit was executed that day for doing the same thing the capitol police were allowing to happen at another door.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mahatma-Gandhi/Resistance-and-results
Do you hate Gandhi too? Why do want to call civil disobedience an insurrection?
THAT is insurrection no matter how you mewl and squeal otherwise.
I bet you are happy as hell Trump's first meeting as POTUS will likely be Putin, our avowed enemy.
Which will just be another case of Putin pulling the strings of his puppet Trump.
@sonhouse saidSo the FBI planted the weapons and Ray Epps is still free after telling people to go into the CB.
NOT a "couple of loonies', you continue in your quest to rewrite history.
There was proven a hotel room nearby with lots of weapons inside ready to go if Trump had said KILL THOSE MFUUKERS.
And they WOULD HAVE.
So don't EVEN try this BS innocence crap.
They were ready to go at a moments notice and try explaining away the car loaded with Molotov cocktails. Good luck with ...[text shortened]... ather 'loonies' they were seasoned warriors ready to pull the trigger on violence had Trump said GO.
Why has the FBI not caught the DC pipe bomber?
@sonhouse saidElection fraud allegations cannot lead to protests?
You refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE the REASON for that "civil disobedience' which was to DISRUPT THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.
THAT is insurrection no matter how you mewl and squeal otherwise.
I bet you are happy as hell Trump's first meeting as POTUS will likely be Putin, our avowed enemy.
Which will just be another case of Putin pulling the strings of his puppet Trump.
That is not what democracy is about. That is what dictatorships are about. Dictators rig elections and jail protesters. If the elections were not rigged they would allow protests.
You want election fraud protests to be illegal. Even if democrats lose because of election fraud they will not be allowed to protest because it will be an insurrection if you do. Why do you want protests of election fraud illegal? Have you turned into Saddam Hussein?
@Metal-Brain saidOf course you don't jail protesters. You jail insurrectionists who try to stop elections. Which is what happened. 😆
He didn't stop the election process.
You cannot stop peaceful protests of election fraud and jail them. That is what dictatorships do.
They could have protested any day they wanted between the election and Jan 6th - no problem.
They could have protested OUTSIDE the capitol building - no problem.
They didn't. They entered the capitol and tried to stop the electoral count. That's insurrection.
This is real clear. Nothing you can say will ever change the fact of what happened. The evidence is absolute. 😆
@spruce112358 said"They could have protested OUTSIDE the capitol building - no problem.
Of course you don't jail protesters. You jail insurrectionists who try to stop elections. Which is what happened. 😆
They could have protested any day they wanted between the election and Jan 6th - no problem.
They could have protested OUTSIDE the capitol building - no problem.
They didn't. They entered the capitol and tried to stop the electoral count. That's i ...[text shortened]... clear. Nothing you can say will ever change the fact of what happened. The evidence is absolute. 😆
They didn't. They entered the capitol and tried to stop the electoral count. That's insurrection. "
Some of the capitol police let protesters in though one of the Capitol Building doors.
Do you want them charged with seditious conspiracy? If not, why?
@Metal-Brain saidThe police were confused, outnumbered and panicked. 😆
"They could have protested OUTSIDE the capitol building - no problem.
They didn't. They entered the capitol and tried to stop the electoral count. That's insurrection. "
Some of the capitol police let protesters in though one of the Capitol Building doors.
Do you want them charged with seditious conspiracy? If not, why?
You seem to forget - this had never happened before at this level. They didn't know how to react.
Although Repubs had tried something like it in Florida, on a much smaller scale, but organized by the same person - Roger Stone (whom Trump pardoned. Why?) And it worked. The vote count was stopped and Bush was declared the winner by SCOTUS even though Gore likely won.
So they thought a similar idea could work again. 😆
We have to face up to the fact that our next government is led by lawless bastards who don't care about anything but seizing power. That's very unfortunate and will lead to further bad outcomes.
@spruce112358 said"The police were confused, outnumbered and panicked. 😆"
The police were confused, outnumbered and panicked. 😆
You seem to forget - this had never happened before at this level. They didn't know how to react.
Although Repubs had tried something like it in Florida, on a much smaller scale, but organized by the same person - Roger Stone (whom Trump pardoned. Why?) And it worked. The vote count was stopped and Bush was dec ...[text shortened]... are about anything but seizing power. That's very unfortunate and will lead to further bad outcomes.
That is not true at all. Nobody forced them to unlock the door and those that came in came in slowly.
You are in a cult you are too invested in and have been brainwashed.
Do yourself a favor and stop defending a false narrative.
@Metal-Brain saidKiss my ass you POS commie. Disrupting the peaceful transfer of power is NOT protesting it is FUUKING INSURRECTION and no other word covers it.
Election fraud allegations cannot lead to protests?
That is not what democracy is about. That is what dictatorships are about. Dictators rig elections and jail protesters. If the elections were not rigged they would allow protests.
You want election fraud protests to be illegal. Even if democrats lose because of election fraud they will not be allowed to protest beca ...[text shortened]... if you do. Why do you want protests of election fraud illegal? Have you turned into Saddam Hussein?
It was NOT some kind of peaceful protest, people fuuking DIED you assshole.
@Metal-Brain saidWhy have they not caught YOU? You WANTED the insurrection on Jan 6 to succeed, you would have been dancing in the street to see such chaos win out and you couldn't give a rats ass people died that day and the next.
So the FBI planted the weapons and Ray Epps is still free after telling people to go into the CB.
Why has the FBI not caught the DC pipe bomber?
@Metal-Brain saidNo, the Truth is not a cult. One does not 'gain' from believing the truth - that's just the baseline for all of us. I'm not invested because I have nothing to gain from finding that Republicans tried to overthrow an election. I wish they had not. 😆
"The police were confused, outnumbered and panicked. 😆"
That is not true at all. Nobody forced them to unlock the door and those that came in came in slowly.
You are in a cult you are too invested in and have been brainwashed.
Do yourself a favor and stop defending a false narrative.
You on the other hand are striving to legitimize the criminal behavior of a narcissistic, manipulative, autocratic leader so that: a) people are fooled into voting for him again (success), and b) you can defend whatever damn fool thing he decides to do next (TBD).
That's the definition of being in a cult.
@sonhouse saidAshli Babbit died because she was executed and she was an unarmed small woman who was no threat to anybody. Nobody else was killed.
Kiss my ass you POS commie. Disrupting the peaceful transfer of power is NOT protesting it is FUUKING INSURRECTION and no other word covers it.
It was NOT some kind of peaceful protest, people fuuking DIED you assshole.
You are a liar.
@sonhouse saidThere was no insurrection. Nobody was charged with insurrection.
Why have they not caught YOU? You WANTED the insurrection on Jan 6 to succeed, you would have been dancing in the street to see such chaos win out and you couldn't give a rats ass people died that day and the next.
False narrative.
@Metal-Brain saidWhen an armed group, and some of them WERE armed and you cannot refute that, tries to take over the government by force, THAT IS IN FACT INSURRECTION and it was NOT a peaceful political protest.
There was no insurrection. Nobody was charged with insurrection.
False narrative.
When ONE HUNDRED AND FIFFTY COPS WERE INJURED and some DIED, there is no other word than insurrection.
They were not charged with that because the prosecutors knew they would have a tough battle to get a jury to agree so they were charged with lesser crimes and crimes they were, most pleading guilty and they were not tortured or anything like that and some of them said Trump let them down.