we should all realize that no government truly works and that yes america is full of shit but all polital leaders think about is what makes them look good do you actually think that any pres was making their own decisions all of the time do you ever actually think that any system of govt will ever work
american leaders are stupid yes but you cant really go and blame every one for that now can you i dont think that what a bunch of dead people did wrong is our problem
Originally posted by ETeachBut it is a job they wanted so they have to take the flak.
Before bashing our leaders past and present, I would suggest walking a mile in their shoes wouldn't you say? It's not a job I would want. We watch them age before our very eyes. (except for Nixon that is)
Try looking at some of the rulers Europe has brought forth over the years. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Louis XVI, Lenin, Nicholas II, Shall I continue?
No we arent perfect, but we are free.
Now pay attention because some (I say some) Americans do not understand. Europe is not a country.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country and none of the leaders you mentioned came from there.
The original post was a joke, a jibe if you like, designed to provoke a response.
Typically some (I say some) Americans have reacted with the usual breast beating, home of the brave, land of the free rhetoric.
Lighten up you guys; you must learn to laugh at yourselves.
I haven't met an American I didn't like, and I have met a lot.
You get on a bus and the guy sitting next to you strikes up a conversation - wouldn't happen in the UK.
I sat next to a guy in a shopping mall whilst my wife plundered the shops and he said, " Hi there, where are you from?" I answered, "Wales in the UK" (you just have to add the caveat) and he said, " Gee, is that in Ireland?"
After once again explaining the make up of the UK and where Wales figured in it, we carried on to have a great conversation about wives and shopping etc. and when we had to part company, we shook hands and left with a better understanding (I think and hope) of each other.
Not only that but what a wonderful country you live in - wow!
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Originally posted by belgianfreakAnd look where modern diplomacy has got us ... oh you didn't mean in Iraq, but seriously, FDR's insistance on Japan's "unconditional surrender" in WWII made Hiroshima and Nagasaki unavoidable, but more seriously, how anyone can think that the USofA has a monopoly on stupid leaders is funny.
hey what was wrong with this guy:
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933-1945
Personally I think he was one of the great leaders of the last century, heralded as the father of modern diplomacy.
EDIT The last bit directed at the thread in general, not Belgian
Originally posted by collemanThank you....cheers, mate....😉
But it is a job they wanted so they have to take the flak.
Now pay attention because some (I say some) Americans do not understand. Europe is not a country.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country and none of the leaders you mentioned came from there.
The original post was a joke, a jibe if you like, designed to provok ...[text shortened]... and hope) of each other.
Not only that but what a wonderful country you live in - wow!
😉
Originally posted by KneverKnightTo say nothing of FDR's record on racial discrimination. Or the fact that he made the US government the largest employer in the country. And let's not forget what he did for the family owned farm😠😳🙁:'(
And look where modern diplomacy has got us ... oh you didn't mean in Iraq, but seriously, FDR's insistance on Japan's "unconditional surrender" in WWII made Hiroshima and Nagasaki unavoidable, but more seriously, how anyone can think that the USofA has a monopoly on stupid leaders is funny.
EDIT The last bit directed at the thread in general, not Belgian
Originally posted by chaswrayWell, anyone can make mistakes, the thing is when leaders make mistakes, a lot of people far away feel the fallout so to speak.
To say nothing of FDR's record on racial discrimination. Or the fact that he made the US government the largest employer in the country. And let's not forget what he did for the family owned farm😠😳🙁:'(
I know nothing about FDR and racial discrimination, making the government the largest employer was surely an attempt to get people working after the depression and the family farm got eat up by the new agri-biz. Or?
Originally posted by PantaphobiaSo basically, what you're saying is that you live in an oppressed society, but that its an acceptable level of oppression? Is this level of oppression acceptable to you because it doesn't affect you? Do you also find it acceptable that a black man living in america is 8 times more likely to end up in jail than a white man? Despite white people committing more crimes than black people. Of course, ex-cons lose their vote, ie: their voice to change the government. They also lose the freedom to rise to the top due to the fact that they find it next to impossible to get above minimum wage jobs. So, black people in america are in fact not as free as you make out. The same can be said about hispanics.
good point there! that one is being fought over in the courts currently. With new bills, it may come to pass. But in my humble opinion, its not about the "sanctity of a union between two people" that has homosexuals upset, its about legal rights to property and assets and health care and basically money. I hope it gets resolved and that marriages a ...[text shortened]... e granted. We have enough divides in this country between countrymen, we don't need one more.
To the person who said that in america everybody rises or falls according to their true level, you're forgetting 1 major thing: inheritance.
When you look beyond the marketing lie of america being the land of hope and glory, and that everyone can become a millionaire, you'll notice that only about 5% of american millionaires are self made millionaires. The other 95% are people who inherited a fortune. As a point in note, can you tell me what Paris Hilton has done to achieve the level she has? And tell me what she is contributing to your great country while not working and not paying taxes, and while her inheritence sits in a Swiss bank account not paying taxes to the american government?
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[i]I know nothing about FDR and racial discrimination, making the government the largest employer was surely an attempt to get people working after the depression and the family farm got eat up by the new agri-biz. Or?[/b]FDR ignored the racial discrimination in the South to curry the favor of the then heavy Democratic vote there! Even so much as to ignore the public outcry over the lynchings of African Americans. You are right about his reasons for government employment, but if you think about it, is that really a good long term solution to depression? I would hazard a guess that the government today is still the largest employer. His farm policies paved the way for the big Agroconglomerates.
[i]Originally posted by Ragnorak
To the person who said that in america everybody rises or falls according to their true level, you're forgetting 1 major thing: inheritance.
ooops, i forgot you don't have inheritances anywhere else. sorry.
i came from nothing and now i have something. with no help from my parents or my socialist brothers. my mind, my effort, my freedom to do so.
i ...[text shortened]... her inheritence sits in a Swiss bank account not paying taxes to the american government?
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