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  1. Zugzwang
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    10 Jul '14 22:311 edit
    Originally posted by HandyAndy to Grampy Bobby
    Bobby, you forgot about the pedestals. Tell them about the pedestals.
    The original post does endorse a culture of 'placing ladies upon pedestals',
    which I consider a form of 'benevolent sexism'.

    "Because benevolently sexist attitudes appear positive, people often struggle
    to identify these beliefs as a form of gender-based prejudice. Furthermore,
    benevolent sexism may be seen by both men and women as reinforcing of
    the status quo, which some individuals may find comforting. Social and
    cultural norms may actually encourage benevolently sexist beliefs among
    women and men. A classic illustration of this is the endorsement of modern-day
    chivalry in interactions between women and men."
    --Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalent_sexism
  2. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The original post does endorse a culture of 'placing ladies upon pedestals',
    which I consider a form of 'benevolent sexism'.

    "Because benevolently sexist attitudes appear positive, people often struggle
    to identify these beliefs as a form of gender-based prejudice. Furthermore,
    benevolent sexism may be seen by both men and women as reinforcing of
    the ...[text shortened]... interactions between women and men."
    --Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalent_sexism
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "The original post does endorse a culture of 'placing ladies upon pedestals'..."

    Any particular paragraph(s)?

    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
    Manners for Boys: "Gentlemen" - An Endangered Species?
    "10 Simple Steps to Raising a New Generation of Gentlemen!"

    "One of the nicest compliments a parent can receive is, "Your son is such a gentleman!" It seems, however, that in our modern culture of media, athletics, politics, schools, and at the local grocery store, there seems to be fewer and fewer "Gentlemen" to be found.

    But there is hope for this latest addition to the "endangered species" list. Despite the tiny vocal minority of angry women who yelled at men who tried to act like gentlemen during the 70's and these past few decades, there has been a renewed realization that in order for civility to survive and thrive in our nation, we must be intentional about being courteous and kind.

    Simple courtesies may seem trivial and old-fashioned, but they are foundational in a civil society. Courtesies don't cost a penny, but they are priceless ways of showing respect and making others feel special and valued in what has become a selfish and self-centered culture. It has been said that "manners are the oil that lubricate society" - everything just works smoother!

    All males are men, but not all men are gentlemen. Even though men and women are created equal, we are obviously different - with different roles and responsibilities, and by acting like a gentleman, boys, teens and men can show honour and respect to women.

    As parents, we need to both model and teach our boys how to be a gentleman. It won't happen accidentally - we need to be intentional in teaching these foundational principles of character.

    Character training starts at home. Our homes need to be our nation's "boot camp for character," as we prepare our children for life. Manners are both "caught" and "taught" as children observe mom and dad showing courtesy and expressing thankfulness to each other.

    As mothers, we need to slow down and allow our husband to pull out your chair for us at dinner and wait a few extra seconds for him to walk around the car and get the door. Our sons are watching. It is often said that "the way a boy treats his mother is the way that he'll treat his wife." Let's prepare our boys to be men. Real men.

    Here are 10 practical reminders to help us raise "gentlemen" in our families through their respectful attitudes, words and actions!

    1. Gentlemen have respectful attitudes which lead to respectful actions and words. They greet people with a smile, nod or "hello" as they pass people. Their attitude is one of putting others first - based on The Golden Rule... to treat others the way they would like to be treated.

    2. Gentlemen use respectful words: "Please" "Thank You" "You're Welcome" and "Excuse Me." Instead of "What?" and "Huh?" they say "Pardon me?" They say "Yes Ma'am" and "No Sir" respectfully. They never use cursing or cussing words. Gentlemen also have the courage to use difficult words like, "I'm Sorry" "I made a mistake" and "Will You Forgive Me?"

    3. Gentlemen open doors for Ladies and allow them to pass through first, saying, "After you!" All children open the door for their elders.

    4. Gentlemen walk a Lady to the car and open the car door for her.

    5. A Gentleman offers his seat to a Lady. Gentlemen should offer their seat to their elders or pregnant women in crowded buses or waiting rooms. Never be seated until your mother is seated. (I was humbled and thrilled to find out that the distinguished, elderly gentleman who had offered me his seat one day in Seattle for basketball's "Final Four" tournament was the legendary UCLA Basketball Coach, John Wooden!)

    6. A Gentleman helps a Lady put on her coat or sweater. He also offers to help carry heavy packages for a lady. Children offer to carry the bags for their mothers. If the lady drops something, the gentleman will pick it up for her.

    7. Gentlemen stand when a Lady enters the room or when he is introduced to someone.

    8. Gentlemen seat a Lady at the dinner table before they seat themselves. They rise when ladies excuse themselves and when they return. The gentleman takes care of the lady to his right.

    9. The Gentleman protects a Lady from danger. He walks on the curb side of the road as a courtesy of protection and to keep the lady from getting splashed by puddles. He also stands behind a lady on an escalator going up; and in front of her going down to protect her from falling. He walks down a dark theatre aisle first and the lady will follow.

    10. A Gentleman will never EVER hit or hurt a Lady. A boy must never hit or hurt a girl, but rather use his strength to protect a girl.

    So next time someone says, "Your son is such a gentleman!" be encouraged knowing that you have given your child a precious gift for life - the attitude, words and actions of respect."

    "Judi Vankevich, best known as "Judi The Manners Lady," has a passion to inspire excellence in character and manners in this generation and to strengthen families through her exciting, interactive concerts at schools and churches across the country and at teacher and parent training seminars. Judi has been featured on CBS This Morning, Canada AM, Focus on the Family, and The Boston Globe. She is the author of Manners Are Cool and is a recording artist of the award-winning CD, "It's Fun to Have Good Manners!" Her "Manners Club Kit" is a character-based curriculum used in public and Christian schools, churches and home schools across the US and Canada and in Europe, Africa and Asia. Parents, schools and churches can host their own "Manners Club" using the Manners Club Kit! (Includes book, materials and music!)"

    http://www.googolpower.com/content/articles/manners-for-boys-gentlemen-an-endangered-species

    Well, Gentlemen of Red Hot Pawn, how do we and our sons and grandsons measure up against these "10 Simple Steps to Raising a New Generation of Gentlemen!" from Judi Vankevich in a "selfish and self-centered culture" or are they sexist?
  3. Standard memberredbadger
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    12 Jul '14 08:45
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "The original post does endorse a culture of 'placing ladies upon pedestals'..."

    Any particular paragraph(s)?

    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
    [b]Manners for Boys: "Gentlemen" - An Endangered Species?

    "10 Simple Steps to Raising a New Generation of Gentlemen!"

    [i]"One of the nicest co ...[text shortened]... of Gentlemen!" from Judi Vankevich in a "selfish and self-centered culture" or are they sexist?[/b]
    I used to be the guy that opens doors gives up my seat on trains but there are so many slappers tarts & bitches I don't bother any more.
  4. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    12 Jul '14 09:51
    Best and worst countries for women June 14, 2012 Acharya S/D.M. Murdock
    (According to Newsweek magazine, out of 165 countries.)

    "No. 165 is Chad, in Central Africa. Iceland (#1) gets a 100 rating overall, and the U.S. (#8) receives an 89.89, while Chad gets a 0. Israel is #51 on the list, with a 78 rating, not far above Mexico (53) with a 77.5. At no. 27 and a 83.8 rating, Greece surpasses its neighbors Italy (59/76.1) and Turkey (114/56.2).

    No surprise that Yemen has a 0 rating in the politics department, while the Solomon Islands rates a 0 in the justice category. Finland rates 100 in politics, whereas Saudi Arabia receives a 5. China has a 100 rating in education, while Armenia has a 99.3 in education. What drags these and other nations down is the lack of women in politics. As we can imagine, Afghanistan gets only 41.1 in education, beating Pakistan’s 34 education rating, while Chad has a 0.

    Top 20 Best Countries for Women Worldwide

    1. Iceland
    2. Sweden
    3. Canada
    4. Denmark
    5. Finland
    6. Switzerland
    7. Norway
    8. United States of America
    9. Australia
    10. Netherlands
    11. New Zealand
    12. France
    13. Luxembourg
    14. Portugal
    15. Macedonia
    16. Moldova
    17. Philippines
    18. Belgium
    19. United Kingdom
    20. Romania

    Prominent Muslim-Dominant Country Rankings

    81. Malaysia
    82. Brunei
    83. Indonesia
    92. Maldives
    97. Qatar
    101. Kuwait
    102. Bahrain
    109. United Arab Emirates
    110. Jordan
    114. Turkey
    115. Algeria
    120. Egypt
    121. Lebanon
    123. Oman
    124. Morocco
    125. Iran
    130. Syria
    132. Libya
    139. Bangladesh
    147. Saudi Arabia
    158. Pakistan
    161. Mali
    163. Yemen
    164. Afghanistan

    Source and full list: Updated: December 9, 2013 — 6:03 am"

    http://freethoughtnation.com/best-and-worst-countries-for-women/
  5. SubscriberSuzianne
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    12 Jul '14 15:351 edit
    Originally posted by redbadger
    I used to be the guy that opens doors gives up my seat on trains but there are so many slappers tarts & bitches I don't bother any more.
    Typical.

    And who defined them as such?

    Yes. You.

    If you don't wanna be bothered by common courtesy, just say so. Don't blame it on women.
  6. Standard memberredbadger
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    12 Jul '14 16:08
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Typical.

    And who defined them as such?

    Yes. You.

    If you don't wanna be bothered by common courtesy, just say so. Don't blame it on women.
    you obviously move in different circles but where I live there are very few true ladies if you go into Middlesbrough/Newcastle/sunderland town centers any night of the week you would understand its the ladete culture young women hardly wearing enough to cover their modesty drunk swearing fighting puking not 10 or 100 but thousands of them with no manners no self esteem nothing.that is not my fault or problem I brought my daughter up to know right and wrong she has 3 daughters now and is making sure they know the right way.
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    12 Jul '14 21:513 edits
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Best and worst countries for women June 14, 2012 Acharya S/D.M. Murdock
    (According to Newsweek magazine, out of 165 countries.)

    "No. 165 is Chad, in Central Africa. Iceland (#1) gets a 100 rating overall, and the U.S. (#8) receives an 89.89, while Chad gets a 0. Israel is #51 on the list, with a 78 rating, not far above Mexico (53) with a 77. ...[text shortened]... December 9, 2013 — 6:03 am"

    http://freethoughtnation.com/best-and-worst-countries-for-women/[/b]
    _A Thousand Sisters: My Journey into the Worst Place on Earth to be a Woman_
    (2010) by Lisa Shannon, a white American woman, describes her experiences
    in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    'The Worst Place on Earth to be a Woman' (to quote Lisa Shannon) is a
    country with an overwhelming Christian majority. Christians are 95%
    (according to the Pew Research Center) or 80% (according to the CIA World
    Factbook) of the population in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    It's hypocritical for Christians to act as though only Muslims are misogynists.
    I would submit that misogyny seems common in quite diverse cultures.
  8. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    12 Jul '14 22:211 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    _A Thousand Sisters: My Journey into the Worst Place on Earth to be a Woman_
    (2010) by Lisa Shannon, a white American woman, describes her experiences
    in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    'The Worst Place on Earth to be a Woman' (to quote Lisa Shannon) is a
    country with an overwhelming Christian majority. Christians are 95%
    (according to the Pew R y Muslims are misogynists.
    I would submit that misogyny seems common in quite diverse cultures.
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "It's hypocritical for Christians to act as though only Muslims are misogynists.
    I would submit that misogyny seems common in quite diverse cultures."
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Welcome to Freethought Nation! September 15, 2009

    "Greetings and salutations. We at Freethought Nation are pleased to announce our newly redone site, which has been designed to create what we hope will become [i]a global hub for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics, secularists and humanists, as well as aficionados of history, religion, mythology, myth Updated: December 20, 2013 — 4:48 am

    http://freethoughtnation.com/welcome-to-freethought-nation/
    Did you paste the wrong thing GB?
    Duchess64 had a point about religion and in reply you post a five year old salutation from a "newly redone" site.

    I think you need to either:
    1) up
    or
    2) stop entirely
    the meds you're taking.
  10. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    12 Jul '14 23:031 edit
    Originally posted by orangutan
    Did you paste the wrong thing GB?
    Duchess64 had a point about religion and in reply you post a five year old salutation from a "newly redone" site.

    I think you need to either:
    1) up
    or
    2) stop entirely
    the meds you're taking.
    "D.M. Murdock aka Acharya S" acharya_s@yahoo.com Updated: December 20, 2013 — 4:48 am"

    Edit Note: "19. United Kingdom"
  11. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    Originally posted by orangutan
    Did you paste the wrong thing GB?
    Duchess64 had a point about religion and in reply you post a five year old salutation from a "newly redone" site.

    I think you need to either:
    1) up
    or
    2) stop entirely
    the meds you're taking.
    I think he should increase the blue ones and cut back on the white ones.
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    12 Jul '14 23:17
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "D.M. Murdock aka Acharya S" acharya_s@yahoo.com Updated: December 20, 2013 — 4:48 am"

    Edit Note: "19. United Kingdom"
    Wut?

    Another non-sequitar answer?

    You might not realise this, but the intertubes cannot hear your internal monologue. What relevance to the statement that Duchess64 posted do either of your comments have ... I'm not really getting the connection.
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    12 Jul '14 23:21
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    I think he should increase the blue ones and cut back on the white ones.
    I think I need to find a Doc who'll give me those meds. It might make reading the forums here (or the internet at large) much more bearable.
  14. SubscriberSuzianne
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    12 Jul '14 23:31
    Originally posted by redbadger
    you obviously move in different circles but where I live there are very few true ladies if you go into Middlesbrough/Newcastle/sunderland town centers any night of the week you would understand its the ladete culture young women hardly wearing enough to cover their modesty drunk swearing fighting puking not 10 or 100 but thousands of them with no manners n ...[text shortened]... r up to know right and wrong she has 3 daughters now and is making sure they know the right way.
    Yeah, well, as I said in my first post in this thread, there might be more "ladies" around if there were more "gentlemen" around.

    But I, too, weep for my less refined sisters. Youth seems wasted on the young, any more. But my point is that this nasty attitude by some young adults also extends to the young men.
  15. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    12 Jul '14 23:32
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, well, as I said in my first post in this thread, there might be more "ladies" around if there were more "gentlemen" around.

    But I, too, weep for my less refined sisters. Youth seems wasted on the young, any more. But my point is that this nasty attitude by some young adults also extends to the young men.
    Well, said, Suzi.
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