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  1. Zugzwang
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    12 Jul '14 23:47
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Best and worst countries for women June 14, 2012 Acharya S/D.M. Murdock
    (According to Newsweek magazine, out of 165 countries.)

    "No. 165 is Chad, in Central Africa. Iceland (#1) gets a 100 rating overall, and the U.S. (#8) receives an 89.89, while Chad gets a 0. Israel is #51 on the list, with a 78 rating, not far above Mexico (53) with a 77. ...[text shortened]... December 9, 2013 — 6:03 am"

    http://freethoughtnation.com/best-and-worst-countries-for-women/[/b]
    "China has a 100 rating in education" (for women).

    In China (as was the case in the USSR) there seems to be significantly
    less prejudice than in the USA against women pursuing careers (such as
    in science or engineering) requiring significant mathematical study.

    I have noticed that almost all Americans seem to assume that it's natural
    for female students to have 'math anxiety', to be afraid of mathematics,
    and most Americans seem to assume it should be normal for females to do
    worse than males at mathematics. But female 'math anxiety' is not nearly
    as universal as these ethnocentric Americans assume. As I recall, Chinese
    girls have scored at least as well as American boys of the same ages in some
    mathematical tests. When a culture expects more intellectual achievement
    from its female students, will they not respond to the challenge?

    In the USA, a mathematics professor said that, when she was growing up
    in the USSR, she had been universally respected, if not admired, for taking
    a serious interest in mathematics and being very good at it. When Americans
    asked her, however, 'What do you do for a living?', and she said 'Mathematics',
    they would shrink away from her, perceiving her as a freak (or unladylike
    or whatever). She said she could not understand this American attitude.
    When she sent her daughter to an American public school, she was shocked
    to discover that not only did it have abysmally low standards in mathematical
    education but also the local teacher was teaching the subject incorrectly.
    I can understand exactly how she feels. I suspect that the generally poor
    performances of American girls in mathematics largely originates in a
    dominant culture that regards such 'feminine weakness' as acceptable.

    I would add that the USSR was far from a utopia for women, and women
    encountered other problems relating to sexism. Even to this day, Russian
    business culture tends to treat its female employees in ways that could
    remind American women of a past generation in which sexual harassment
    was the norm rather than the grounds for a complaint to human resources.

    But, in the Great Patriotic War, Soviet women knew they had to be strong
    in order for their country to survive. They did not have the luxury of being
    members of the 'weaker sex' to be protected by men. Some Soviet women
    volunteered to fight as pilots or snipers; many other women worked in the
    physically demanding jobs that previously had been done only by men.
    I would submit that *if* Soviet women had acted as the 'helpless creatures'
    that the original post seems to expect 'ladies' to act, then the USSR might
    have lost the Great Patriotic War. Hitler, who preferred that German women
    adhere to traditional domestic roles, might have won his war in the East.
  2. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    13 Jul '14 00:25
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "China has a 100 rating in education" (for women).

    In China (as was the case in the USSR) there seems to be significantly
    less prejudice than in the USA against women pursuing careers (such as
    in science or engineering) requiring significant mathematical study.

    I have noticed that almost all Americans seem to assume that it's natural
    for female stude ...[text shortened]... eferred that German women
    adhere to traditional domestic roles, might have won his war in the East.
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "China has a 100 rating in education" (for women). In China (as was the case in the USSR) there seems to be significantly less prejudice than in the USA against women pursuing careers (such as in science or engineering) requiring significant mathematical study.... In the USA, a mathematics professor said that, when she was growing up in the USSR, she had been universally respected, if not admired, for taking a serious interest in mathematics and being very good at it.... Hitler, who preferred that German women adhere to traditional domestic roles, might have won his war in the East."

    The Best and Worst Places for Women

    "Newsweek/The Daily Beast analyzed dozens of data points for 165 countries to determine which countries offer women the most expansive rights and the best quality of life.

    8. USA 89.8

    23. China 84.4

    30. Germany 83.4

    60. USSR 75.9"

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/20/best-and-worst-countries-for-women-the-full-list.html
  3. Zugzwang
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    13 Jul '14 20:55
    Back in the USSR, the original post would have been dismissed as an example
    of obsolete Western bourgeois culture, class-ridden and hypocritical.
    On the other hand, Soviet men were widely encouraged to show 'correct'
    class behavior, which in practice often meant acting like a bumptious lout.
    (Look at Nikita Khrushchev allegedly pounding his shoe upon a UN desk.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/Shoe-banging_incident

    One criticism of the original post is that it's about 'gentlemen' showing their
    respect to the 'ladies' only in superficial, stereotypically sexist ways.

    How about adding this one to the list?
    A gentleman respects a lady's choice to have an abortion.
  4. Standard memberredbadger
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    13 Jul '14 20:57
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Back in the USSR, the original post would have been dismissed as an example
    of obsolete Western bourgeois culture, class-ridden and hypocritical.
    On the other hand, Soviet men were widely encouraged to show 'correct'
    class behavior, which in practice often meant acting like a bumptious lout.
    (Look at Nikita Khrushchev allegedly pounding his shoe upon a ...[text shortened]... ow about adding this one to the list?
    A gentleman respects a lady's choice to have an abortion.
    I know who the real boss in my house is its me when she lets me.
  5. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    14 Jul '14 19:302 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Back in the USSR, the original post would have been dismissed as an example
    of obsolete Western bourgeois culture, class-ridden and hypocritical.
    On the other hand, Soviet men were widely encouraged to show 'correct'
    class behavior, which in practice often meant acting like a bumptious lout.
    (Look at Nikita Khrushchev allegedly pounding his shoe upon a ...[text shortened]... ow about adding this one to the list?
    A gentleman respects a lady's choice to have an abortion.
    "How about adding this one to the list?" Duchess64

    D64, abortion first or second or third term involves three parties: the mother; the state; and a viable fetus. Slightly different realm of social discourse than civility, etiquette and manners. Perhaps you could start a thread in the Spirituality Forum.
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