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Robbie are you a vote leave or remain?
I know you are a strong supporter of devolution, so just wondering.
I know you are a strong supporter of devolution, so just wondering.
Originally posted by divegeesterOh great and illustrious divegeester when will you realise that robbie does not believe his own propaganda?
Robbie are you a vote leave or remain?
I know you are a strong supporter of devolution, so just wondering.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat you call "propaganda" I call taking you at face value, and others sometimes call lies. But be that as it may.
Oh great and illustrious divegeester when will you realise that robbie does not believe his own propaganda?
To tell you the truth I am against nationalism of any kind and simply often play devils advocate simply to see how far I can go. Nationalism has been to my mind a rather destructive force. What i can see happening in Scotland is, if the B ...[text shortened]... nce I was eighteen and eligible to vote. Scotland as a whole I think is certainly pro European.
Originally posted by divegeesterAs a country that has no real democratic power of its own but is subject to another your grievances with the E.U. are similar to ours with Westminster. Infact we are in an even worse position because we are ruled by a government that we did not vote for and that has literally no popular support among the electorate while being given the semblance of democracy. At least the E.U. does not pretend to be democratic.
What you call "propaganda" I call taking you at face value, and others sometimes call lies. But be that as it may.
Clearly I am "leave" and only for democratic reasons; the economy and migration are all smokescreens imo. Where democratic power lies is at the core of my objection to the current EU. I'm certain the UK can forge its own relationships wit ...[text shortened]... ern world?
So anyway, I feel the UK should stay together and the the UK should leave the EU.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieActing as a "devil's advocate" is a method used to get at the truth and to analyze an issue in full. I can't remember you ever seeking any truth in any major discussions where I have engaged you. I can't remember you ever wanting to examine an issue properly or in full. All I can remember is you trying to be funny in an unpleasant and peculiarly repetitive way. You've even admitted publicly that that is all you want to do, here Thread 166701 page 270.
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further.
Originally posted by FMFIn common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further.
Acting as a "devil's advocate" is a method used to get at the truth and to analyze an issue in full. I can't remember you ever seeking any truth in any major discussions where I have engaged you. I can't remember you ever wanting to examine an issue properly or in full. All I can remember is you trying to be funny in an unpleasant and peculiarly repetitive way. ...[text shortened]... en admitted publicly that that is all you want to do, here Thread 166701 page 270.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you want to be seen as a principled poster who can discuss moral issues, you're not going to achieve this by suddenly describing your behaviour up till now as "devil's advocacy". You will only achieve it by actually behaving as a principled poster who can discuss moral issues from now on.
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further.
Please note that there is no mention of truth in the definition, you have simply added it I suspec ...[text shortened]... ink that i have attempted to relate to you numerous times how thoroughly banal this approach is.
Originally posted by divegeesterWhether to leave the EU is not really any of my business as I do not reside in the UK and never will again. But, having said that, if I did live in the UK, I'd most likely vote to remain in the EU.
Clearly I am "leave" and only for democratic reasons; the economy and migration are all smokescreens imo. Where democratic power lies is at the core of my objection to the current EU. I'm certain the UK can forge its own relationships with markets wherever and however it wants going forward.
Originally posted by FMFI don't want to be seen as a principled anything, you simply made it up that I do and again you demonstrate an inability to engage in anything beyond making matters personal and moral I suspect because its simply easier for you.
If you want to be seen as a principled poster who can discuss moral issues, you're not going to achieve this by suddenly describing your behaviour up till now as "devil's advocacy". You will only achieve it by behaving as a principled and thoughtful poster who can discuss moral issues from now on.
Originally posted by FMFThis mechanism you have FMF of attempting to state that a proposer is somehow trying to be funny is not working for you, its simply a rather transparent and tawdry attempt at deflection, that you think its working for you is hilarious.
And this is the essential building block of your comedy routine. I had school friends like you when I was an adolescent. 😉
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm just taking you at your word, robbie, when you said: "I just want to make fun of people and have people make fun of me and to talk copious amounts of dwool" when you were apologizing for when your attempted comedy had gone too far.
This mechanism you have FMF of attempting to state that a proposer is somehow trying to be funny is not working for you, its simply a rather transparent and tawdry attempt at deflection, that you think its working for you is hilarious.
Originally posted by FMFYes FMF but that is not a reason to completely ignore the content of a persons posts is it? Do you think that retrospectively dragging up something from the past is working for you? look how its simply a plastic attempt at deflection and reflects rather badly on you? you don't want that do you, not from someone that thrives on being seen as principled and esteemed, surely?
I'm just taking you at your word, robbie, when you said: "I just want to make fun of people and have people make fun of me and to talk copious amounts of dwool" when you apologizing for when your attempted comedy had gone too far.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI can't remember ever having come across anyone - like you - who was so obviously trying to be funny ALL the time [and even admitting it], who then got so uncomfortable with being described as obviously trying to be funny ALL the time. Self-appointed comedians have simply got to come to terms with the fact that not everyone is going to think they are funny.
Yes FMF but that is not a reason to completely ignore the content of a persons posts is it? Do you think that retrospectively dragging up something from the past is working for you? look how its simply a plastic attempt at deflection and reflects rather badly on you? you don't want that do you, not from someone that thrives on being seen as principle ...[text shortened]... ause its easier, but someone had to say it.
I can see you clearly now FMF, thanks for that.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHave you made any points about Brexit - the thread topic - that you want me to address?
You have so far not managed to address a single reason or point but I have made and clearly you are wasting both my time and yours, but thats ok because i have a multitude of better things to be getting on with.