Originally posted by divegeester Clearly I am "leave" and only for democratic reasons; the economy and migration are all smokescreens imo. Where democratic power lies is at the core of my objection to the current EU.
What evidence do you have that Michael Gove or Ian Duncan or Nigel Farage have your interests as a citizen lying at the centre of their political operations and priorities any more than their counterparts from other nations? Is it because they do their electoral arithmetic on a smaller scale?
The Brexit affair is somewhat like, less violent for sure, the succesion of the southern states in the US civil war.
The south in the US is better off being in the US than it ever would have been being isolated as a new country with little in the way of real industry, which all resided in the north.
You can't make a world economy cutting down trees and growing cotton.
It wouldn' be quite as bad as that if the UK leaves the Euro but it would be similar, a country doing significant business with the Euro would lose it and if they leave there would be no going back, Euro would never allow you to re-enter. Like he said though, Scotland would also probably succeed from the UK and independently join Euro.
That would be a good thing for Scotland. But the UK leaving will cause much pressure on the Euro for other countries leaving like Greece which is in deep doo doo economically, which was their own fault but it is what it is. If the UK leaves, there will be a stampede of other smaller countries taking off also and that would be the end of the Euro and the end of the Euro to emulate the United States and it will be back to usual back stabbing little empires. Good luck if all that happens.
My gut feeling is the UK better stay in the Euro and deal for better terms as much as you dislike Brussels.
Originally posted by Seitse The "democracy" argument is funny, to say the least, taking into account that we are talking about a monarchy with an upper house nobody voted for.
It shows the level of intelligence of the pro exit group.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further.
this is why i don't necessarily believe my own propaganda😵
Which devil were you advocating when you decided to game the clan system?
Originally posted by sonhouse The Brexit affair is somewhat like, less violent for sure, the succesion of the southern states in the US civil war.
The south in the US is better off being in the US than it ever would have been being isolated as a new country with little in the way of real industry, which all resided in the north.
You can't make a world economy cutting down trees a ...[text shortened]... ing is the UK better stay in the Euro and deal for better terms as much as you dislike Brussels.
If the outcome was that bleak I don't think Cameron would have allowed a vote in the first place .
Any Scottish Brexitists here?
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