The post that was quoted here has been removedto me the difference is that while a lot of hip-hop, especially the commercially marketed hip-hop, contains racially bigotted lyrics and derogatory remarks towards women, they are usually Generally derogatory, and not specifically directed at a particular person or small group of people. Imus's statement was directed directly and specifically at the Rutger's Women's basketball team, who did nothing to deserve being insulted, thus the right to be outraged. I'm defintely not condoning the "generally" offensive rap lyrics, but just making a guess at why people are upset about this and not your run of the mill filth in some rap music.
Originally posted by Darth Spongehow is general remarks better than specific ones. General remarks refer to the entire race, whereas specific remarks only refer to X number of people?
to me the difference is that while a lot of hip-hop, especially the commercially marketed hip-hop, contains racially bigotted lyrics and derogatory remarks towards women, they are usually Generally derogatory, and not specifically directed at a particular person or small group of people. Imus's statement was directed directly and specifically at the Ru s at why people are upset about this and not your run of the mill filth in some rap music.
Also, there is a double standard with hip-hop, but how about the corporations pouring millions into these guys...they should be held accountable for their racist remarks. If they pulled out, like Imus' sponsers, maybe hip hop would not be making those remarks.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI'm not saying that general insults of this nature are less repugnant than specific ones. and I aggree that corporate sponsorship of any kind of hate-filled music should be scrutinized and challenged. Ultimately it's up to individuals to refuse the music, stop buying it, stop needing it, and perhaps the question should be: what need do these derogatory statements in music fulfil in the listeners?
how is general remarks better than specific ones. General remarks refer to the entire race, whereas specific remarks only refer to X number of people?
Also, there is a double standard with hip-hop, but how about the corporations pouring millions into these guys...they should be held accountable for their racist remarks. If they pulled out, like Imus' sponsers, maybe hip hop would not be making those remarks.
and really... I have to admit that I'm not familiar with most hip-hop or rap. I listen to a wide variety of music, but besides the Roots, I can't say I know much about the genre.
Originally posted by badmoonI wish we could stop using that stupid phrase. There are white people in Africa too.
African American
Sacksquash, your best buddy can come up to you and call you an idiot, for example, right? You would laugh and slap each other on the back.
What would you do if some random black guy called you an idiot on the street?
Sasquatch does indeed seem genuinely upset that he can't use the 'N' word more freely.
I think the point being that when 2 black people use the 'N' word amongst themselves it is used with a certain sense of irony
whereas
When a white person uses the 'N' word it conveys a sense of history
Hope you can get your pea-sized brain around that weighty concept.
I personally wouldn't use the 'N' word any more than I would call a woman a 'C' word. Both are incredibly ugly words & show utter lack of respect.
Sasquatch & his mates can call each other "white honkeys" or "banjo butt-surfers" with impunity, but I suspect you'd be reaching for the 12-guage if a black man called you or your mates these terms.
1. Why is it that white people act like hip hop is a black problem when it's their kids that buy the stuff? Yes that's correct, whites are the largest purchasers of hip hop just like they are of everything else. It's mainstream popular music.
2. Why is it that all the Don Imus apologists want to act like they know anything about the fight against violent and misogynistic hip hop? If they really knew anything they'd know that the fight has been going on for at least 20 years. If they weren't talking out of their collective posteriors they'd know that there have been numerous forums, protests, etc. against hip hop artists. So I bet you're wondering "If that's true why haven't I heard about it." Well, that's because the mainstream news media largely ignores it. Probably because they view it as a black thing (see #1). But if you depend on the mainstream news media to tell you what's going on you probably think that only white women ever go missing.