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Originally posted by CanadaguyWith respect, no you don't - your post above clearly reveals that you think I'm advocating the rehabilitation of inmates, and that I'm proposing some kind of "halfway house". My actual point was that I oppose the current system because it is a halfway house, and that I wish someone would make up their minds either way about whether they wanted the prison service to be about rehabilitation or punishment.
Working in close proximity and having one live next door are two different things. And I understand your points exactly. Maybe what I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't waste our time and money on these monsters, or pretending they a ...[text shortened]... them wheather they kill or not would definetly make me feel safer.
Originally posted by AmauroteOk just to understand, are you saying the very few innocent deaths that would occur as a result of capital punishment is justifyable compared to the many innocent lives that would be saved?
As for DNA - it is far from unchallengable. If the people who support capital punishment have the courage and consistency to accept that innocent people will die because of the policy they propose, I have no problem with that at all.
What about in a case like Joseph Duncan? He killed a whole family, abducted the two youngest children, killed the little boy and was caught with the little girl. He has a history of raping and served time once before. He has now come forth with information on several other murders he has commited (young children). They have found the bodies. Should this man be held in prison for life, being fed and cared for at tax payers expense until some day he may be considered rehabilitated and released? Or should he simply and quickly be put to death, saving tax payers dollars and ensuring this predator will never harm another innocent person again.
Originally posted by AmauroteI think we're having a total misunderstanding. Thats OK it happens. In my view, in a perfect world, Those people who are beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty, by using the best foreniscs at our diposal, and relying on ALL the evidence available, to ensure NO miscarriages of Justice, should be executed. In order for such executions there needs to be a set standards, that needs to be met before an execution takes place. I'm no expert, so please don't ask me what those would be.
With respect, no you don't - your post above clearly reveals that you think I'm advocating the rehabilitation of inmates, and that I'm proposing some kind of "halfway house". My actual point was that I oppose the current system because it is a halfway house, and that I wish someone would make up their minds either way about whether they wanted the prison service to be about rehabilitation or punishment.
Originally posted by CanadaguySure, if that's your view I have a lot of sympathy for it: I've met one or two high-profile serial killers, and I'd be hard-pressed to defend their right to exist. Their guilt is certain, their continued existence doesn't make them happy (most of them try to commit suicide at some point anyway), they aren't going to be rehabilitated, and even if they were, they aren't going to be released, so what is the point?
I think we're having a total misunderstanding. Thats OK it happens. In my view, in a perfect world, Those people who are beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty, by using the best foreniscs at our diposal, and relying on ALL the evidence available, to ensure NO miscarriages of Justice, should be executed. In order for such executions there needs to be a set ...[text shortened]... t before an execution takes place. I'm no expert, so please don't ask me what those would be.
Originally posted by AmauroteThe Justice system is not perfect I'll agree, and somtimes the answers aren't as black and white as I would like them to be, That's why debates like this are good. It allows various viewpoints to converge, and who knows maybe a solution can be found.
Sure, if that's your view I have a lot of sympathy for it: I've met one or two high-profile serial killers, and I'd be hard-pressed to defend their right to exist. Their guilt is certain, their continued existence doesn't make them happy (most of them try to commit suicide at some point anyway), they aren't going to be rehabilitated, and even if they were, they aren't going to be released, so what is the point?