06 Mar 07
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For any spam that you receive in your inbox, report to: www.spamcop.net. Phishing attacks can be reported to castlecops.com. Mailwasherpro is a good anti-spam solution and also allows you to report the spam. Best of luck defeating the spam. Please note that you will have to include the email headers in your reporting.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by obliterationWrong. Spamcop does nothing you can't do yourself, and because it sends automated e-mails to the relevent ISP's they generally are not taken as seriously as a proper abuse report.
For any spam that you receive in your inbox, report to: www.spamcop.net. Phishing attacks can be reported to castlecops.com. Mailwasherpro is a good anti-spam solution and also allows you to report the spam. Best of luck defeating the spam. Please note that you will have to include the email headers in your reporting.
Check the headers for the earliest timestamp, find the IP address associated with that timestamp, stick the IP address into the WHOIS lookup at www.ripe.net (europe,) www.arin.net (north america,) www.afrinic.net (africa,) www.lacnic.net (latin america,) and www.apnic.net (asia) to find the responsible ISP. Send the full headers along with a short note to the abuse contact listed in their INETNUM listings.
The ISP can then take action against their customer according to their AUP/TOS.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3Its not wrong at all. Because its another way of reporting, doesnt make it wrong. Spamcop is one of the largest, if not "THE" largest organisation for reporting spam on the internet that exists, so I doubt it being a waste of time. Spamcop certainly is treated seriously, as i have discovered. Your method is acceptable to, albeit long-winded. I would definitely recommend spamcop to the average person.
Wrong. Spamcop does nothing you can't do yourself, and because it sends automated e-mails to the relevent ISP's they generally are not taken as seriously as a proper abuse report.
Check the headers for the earliest timestamp, find the IP address associated with that timestamp, stick the IP address into the WHOIS lookup at www.ripe.net (europe,) www.a ...[text shortened]... M listings.
The ISP can then take action against their customer according to their AUP/TOS.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by obliterationI work for an ISP. I used to be in the abuse department. I'm not telling you you're wrong because I'm being a pain in the ass. I'm telling you you're wrong because you are. The last thing on my list was any automated e-mails with no return address and that included any spamcop reports. You'll get a better/faster result doing it my way.
Its not wrong at all. Because its another way of reporting, doesnt make it wrong. Spamcop is one of the largest, if not "THE" largest organisation for reporting spam on the internet that exists, so I doubt it being a waste of time. Spamcop certainly is treated seriously, as i have discovered. Your method is acceptable to, albeit long-winded. I would definitely recommend spamcop to the average person.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3well as a person in the same profession, i guess we'll have to agree to differ.
I work for an ISP. I used to be in the abuse department. I'm not telling you you're wrong because I'm being a pain in the ass. I'm telling you you're wrong because you are. The last thing on my list was any automated e-mails with no return address and that included any spamcop reports. You'll get a better/faster result doing it my way.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by obliterationI guess we will, I apologise if that came off all smarmy - I'm having a rotten morning here so far. No excuse, but possibly an understandable explanation.
well as a person in the same profession, i guess we'll have to agree to differ.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by obliterationBiggest is not best (eg Microsoft) and as far as I'm concerned, Spamcop's methodology is stupid as are the companies that use it. All that happens is that the ISP is blocked and all mails coming from legitimate users within that ISP. It's a so-called solution that punishes the innocent far more than the guilty. What's even worse for the innocent is that you don't know your mails are being blocked by different ISPs. All you know or suspect is things don't get through and you can't figure out why.
Its not wrong at all. Because its another way of reporting, doesnt make it wrong. Spamcop is one of the largest, if not "THE" largest organisation for reporting spam on the internet that exists, so I doubt it being a waste of time. Spamcop certainly is treated seriously, as i have discovered. Your method is acceptable to, albeit long-winded. I would definitely recommend spamcop to the average person.
As we know, spammers forge headers and while it is possible to read those headers, decipher and trace where the actual message originates from, this is tedious, not easy and certainly beyond the realm of the average user. I've been a victim with spam "originating" from my e-mail address.
Reporting spam directly to ISPs is also generally a waste of time (or at least so it feels) as are attempts to report ID theft to the various enforcement agencies.
Best is just to get a decent spam blocker, teach it properly and let it delete spam from the server before it gets to your inbox.
I regard phishing as far more serious and would usually spend some time reporting it, but you're wasting your time trying to wage a personal crusade against spam.
No, I'm not in the business - just an experienced 'net user who's spent some time looking at this and telling my own ISP they were a bunch of morons for using spamcop which incidentally resulted in me not receiving my Daily Dilbert through that ISP for a year.
06 Mar 07
Originally posted by buffalobillI'm definitely all for the spam blocker. As for your unfortunate case, i'm not to sure where your administrator botched up in reporting, but, if the individual i.p. is reported as being the problem source for the spam, these kind of mistakes should never happen, if they do it is rare and usually down to human error of some description.
Biggest is not best (eg Microsoft) and as far as I'm concerned, Spamcop's methodology is stupid as are the companies that use it. All that happens is that the ISP is blocked and all mails coming from legitimate users within that ISP. It's a so-called solution that punishes the innocent far more than the guilty. What's even worse for the innocent is that ...[text shortened]... entally resulted in me not receiving my Daily Dilbert through that ISP for a year.