Originally posted by rbmorrisJust because they're both smoked, doesn't make them the same. Plenty of people get raped, robbed or worse every year because of roofies.
Because marijuana (THC) is a strong intoxicant and nicotine is not. It may or may not be right to ban tobacco completely (I'm not arguing either way), but marijuana is an entirely different topic.
Just because they're both smoked, doesn't make them the same. Plenty of people get raped, robbed or worse every year because of roofies. That doesn't mean we should ban aspirin.
I thought this said "reefer" at first...
Originally posted by rbmorrisDon't you get it? The original ban had nothing to do with getting stoned. It was ENTIRELY to create a weapon against Latinos and blacks and because hemp was a threat to the cotton industry.
Because marijuana (THC) is a strong intoxicant and nicotine is not. It may or may not be right to ban tobacco completely (I'm not arguing either way), but marijuana is an entirely different topic.
Just because they're both smoked, doesn't make them the same. Plenty of people get raped, robbed or worse every year because of roofies. That doesn't mean we should ban aspirin.
What part of hypocritical don't you understand here?
You have been very thoughoughly brainwashed exactly as Assslinger wanted.
Originally posted by sonhouseSo you're saying that were it not for this highly effective brainwashing, we'd all be buying dime bags at our local supermarket? C'mon, do you honestly believe that? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
Don't you get it? The original ban had nothing to do with getting stoned. It was ENTIRELY to create a weapon against Latinos and blacks and because hemp was a threat to the cotton industry.
What part of hypocritical don't you understand here?
You have been very thoughoughly brainwashed exactly as Assslinger wanted.
Marijuana would be a controlled substance with or without Anslinger. Just because someone helped bring something about, doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway.
Originally posted by rbmorrisJesus you are dense. Anslinger CREATED the whole situation nearly singlehandedly. Very few people did weed back then. Why do you think he made it illegal? Are you so blind you can't see the reasons behind it? As soon as it was illegal, THEN people go, what is this stuff?
So you're saying that were it not for this highly effective brainwashing, we'd all be buying dime bags at our local supermarket? C'mon, do you honestly believe that? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
Marijuana would be a controlled substance with or without Anslinger. Just because someone helped bring something about, doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway.
Lets find out. So soon after that the whole drug lord industry was born.
This is my main thesis: If Assslinger had left it alone, there would be no drug lord today and the level of smoking would have been in the background, hippy musicians, some blacks, some latinos, JUST LIKE IT HAD BEEN FOR 200 YEARS BEFORE. Anslinger is responsible for more deaths from drug gangs than anyone else in history. May there be a hell strong enough for this world class assshole.
Originally posted by rbmorrisNo, you'd be buying them in collectives like we do in California.
So you're saying that were it not for this highly effective brainwashing, we'd all be buying dime bags at our local supermarket? C'mon, do you honestly believe that? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
Marijuana would be a controlled substance with or without Anslinger. Just because someone helped bring something about, doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway.
Originally posted by sonhouseIf it's so enjoyable, don't you think its popularity just might have spread to college campuses, white middle-class suburbia...etc? At that point, don't you think it might raise a few eyebrows on the federal level?
Jesus you are dense. Anslinger CREATED the whole situation nearly singlehandedly. Very few people did weed back then. Why do you think he made it illegal? Are you so blind you can't see the reasons behind it? As soon as it was illegal, THEN people go, what is this stuff?
Lets find out. So soon after that the whole drug lord industry was born.
This is my m ...[text shortened]... s than anyone else in history. May there be a hell strong enough for this world class assshole.
You're talking about two entirely different worlds. You're saying that it started out with hippy musicians, blacks, latinos...etc. AGES AGO (the 1930's). Then you go on to say that it would have remained isolated to these groups--even in 2007. You can't possibly think that. The world has changed DRAMATICALLY. Information, fads...etc, spread faster than ever before.
Grow up, Moonbeam.
Originally posted by sonhouseone word.
So its ok for a state like Texas to put a kid in jail for 40 years merely for possesion of a joint while a drunk driver killing a pedestrian gets 5?
Or the fact there are more people in prison than in college largely as a result of drug busts. Or the fundamental hypocricy of the drug laws which came about directly because a dude named Anslinger hated black ...[text shortened]... o they continue to allow tobacco to be sold, killing near half a million people in the US alone?
kickbacks.
I'm telling you, lobbyists will be the death of america. Or at least the american dream.
Originally posted by sonhouseThe problem is rbmorris' (weak) opinion has nothing to do with the agenda of Aslinger. He has his own (weak) reasons for not supporting the decriminalization of marijuana. I've seen 'Grass'. I know about Aslinger. It doesn't take a genius to see the double standard with tobacco and alcohol however your statement that rbmorris has "bought into the Aslinger agenda of hate and intolerance is ridiculous. Marijuana DOES make a lot of people (not everyone) stupid and lazy (not that that is any reason to make something illegal).
So what is your problem? When 400,000 people are dying each year from another weed, tobacco and not many people if any, die from grass, don't you see a bit of a dichotomy here?
Hundreds of thousands of lives ruined by being forced into prison for smoking grass but its totally legal for people to kill themselves off tobacco and there is no problem here?
While I feel the world could do with a lot less lazy and stupid people, I feel more strongly that the world needs to chill the eff out.
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Short Answer: yes
Long Answer: no. I don't support the "legalization" of marijuana. The term "legalization" means an action by the government to make it legal. I support "Decriminalization" which is the undoing of a previous action, and therefore just makes it not a crime to have, sell, or use.
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Originally posted by darvlayWhat the hell is wrong with you people? So grass makes people lazy, big deal. Tobacco makes people DEAD. Er, don't you see a tiny differance here? So Anslinger was ages ago. Whoopee. He CREATED the whole situation and so effectively brainwashed the politicians the same hype is spewed today. Yeah, lets create a drug lord culture where gangs kill daily and the so-called government spends billions to eradicate all that nasty stuff but you see agencies like the CIA actually supporting drug lords in SA so they can get political gains.
The problem is rbmorris' (weak) opinion has nothing to do with the agenda of Aslinger. He has his own (weak) reasons for not supporting the decriminalization of marijuana. I've seen 'Grass'. I know about Aslinger. It doesn't take a genius to see the double standard with tobacco and alcohol however your statement that rbmorris has "bought into the Aslinge ...[text shortened]... ss lazy and stupid people, I feel more strongly that the world needs to chill the eff out.
I am telling you, there never would have been a drug culture if it hadn't been for Anslinger. He was the devil incarnate. It worked wonders on our culture don't you think? It was ok to ban grass because it didn't effect mainstream america. So they banned alcohol.
Wow, that worked well, eh. Went hand in hand in creating the mafia.
But mainstream america said, don't mess with our BOOZE, this is a free country, so how long did prohibition last? We brought the whole drug/mafia thing down on ourselves. You people are frigging blind.
There is a one to one relation between the bans of grass and alocohol and the creation of the entire mafia/drug lord economy.
Am I the only one here who sees that?
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Originally posted by sonhouseWhy don't you go ahead and tell me what's wrong with me? What, in your opinion, am I totally blind to? Talking to you is like banging my head off the wall. I already tried:
What the hell is wrong with you people? So grass makes people lazy, big deal. Tobacco makes people DEAD. Er, don't you see a tiny differance here? So Anslinger was ages ago. Whoopee. He CREATED the whole situation and so effectively brainwashed the politicians the same hype is spewed today. Yeah, lets create a drug lord culture where gangs kill daily and th the creation of the entire mafia/drug lord economy.
Am I the only one here who sees that?
HEY IDIOT - I BELIEVE YOU! I KNOW WHO ANSLINGER IS!
I've also tried telling you my exact (pro-marijuana) opinion and acknowledged the obvious double-standard. I've even confessed that I'm a habitual marijuana user for the past twelve years. Yet you are still rambling the same sh-t over and over again like I didn't hear you the first ten times.
EDIT - I don't agree with you that without Anslinger there would be no drug culture. I also don't agree that without prohibition, there would be no mafia. I also would like to point out that if you smoke enough weed, it will also give you lung and mouth cancer.
Originally posted by darvlayWell we are agreeing on some points and I never said weed was all that safe, just that the whole situation was in fact caused by Anslinger and prohibition directly caused the growth of the mafia by giving them an artificially made market for booze. The mafia was of course there before prohibition but that is what gave it the boost to become an international ring a thousand times richer than before prohibition.
Why don't you go ahead and tell me what's wrong with me? What, in your opinion, am I totally blind to? Talking to you is like banging my head off the wall. I already tried:
HEY IDIOT - I BELIEVE YOU! I KNOW WHO ANSLINGER IS!
I've also tried telling you my exact (pro-marijuana) opinion and acknowledged the obvious double-standard. I've even confess ...[text shortened]... to point out that if you smoke enough weed, it will also give you lung and mouth cancer.
Here is a post to the mafia in my state, Pennsylvania, specifically Pittsburg. It is a given the mafia rose in power as a direct result of prohibition.
http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20001106mobhistory2.asp
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Originally posted by sonhouseWell...
...What the hell is wrong with you people? So grass makes people lazy, big deal. Tobacco makes people DEAD. Er, don't you see a tiny differance here?...
Firstly
Unless you're a complete pot-head with insane amounts of cash or just daft, you probably mix a fair amount of tobacco in with your grass or resin or whatever. In fact tobacco probably makes up well over 50% of the J
Secondly
I bet you smoke the bifta without a filter eh? Ok... the healthy option so far 😉
Third
when you're sucking like mad on your joint I suspect you keep the smoke in your lungs for as long as is humanly possible before exhaling to get max red-eye. Much longer than a regular smoker would inhale from a cigarette. Am I right?
Fourth
Carbon monoxide is one of the most dangerous chemicals in smoke. I think it would be present if you did try to smoke 100% proof Camberwell carrots. Also, I think "they" add all sorts of wonderful extras into your resin & I bet that the smoke from those doesn't exactly benefit your health.
I'm sure there are other incredible benefits of be good to yourself efforts over regular fags that I've missed out but hey - no-one's perfect! 🙂
Originally posted by SquelchbelchNo, I just put a little bit neat in a pipe or use hot tongs.
Well...
Firtsly
Unless you're a complete pot-head with insane amounts of cash or just daft, you probably mix a fair amount of tobacco in with your grass or resin or whatever. In fact tobacco probably makes up well over 50% of the J
Secondly
I bet you smoke the bifta without a filter eh? Ok... the healthy option so far 😉
Third
when you're ...[text shortened]... yourself[/i] biftas over regular fags that I've missed out but hey, no-one's perfect! 🙂