Originally posted by wormwoodCertainly, but then it would be very easy to file battery charges against the kicker. And once the first blow was thrown, I am within my rights to defend myself and kick the ever-lovin ^%#! out of that person.
you can get kicked in the face even when you're within your rights.
NOTE - I am a supporter of free speech. And also a supporter of having tact and courtesy (i.e. - not streaming profanities in front of children) I simply offer up a different point of view for debate.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateAbsolutely, unequivocally agreed.
This is my feeling, either we have free speech or we don't.
Perhaps the definition of 'speech' needs to be clarified, 'speech' refers to any form of communication, literal or otherwise. Hence, slogans, symbols, art, clothing, tattoos, hand gestures and internet avatars can be considered 'speech'.
You may find my expression of thoughts, concep cases, be prepared to be proven wrong. Keep an open mind and don't be a sheep.
I may or may not have told this story before, but a brief recap - I was in a bar in Boston, shortly after the "shock and awe" debacle in Baghdad. I was attempting to explain to a couple of plebs that there weren't reasonable grounds for this attack on a sovereign nation (regardless of what one may have thought of the government.) I was told to stop talking "because they might hear me." Just one of the many reasons I decided to leave and go somewhere I thought was more reasonable... but that's another brief recap.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire (although there is some argument about the exact words and who actually said it.)
Edit - Having gone back to read the rest of the thread, I think my example works to both disprove Phlabibit's assertion that in the US you have freedom of speech, and answer Darvlay's question about whether someone's free speech has been compromised. When one believes that they cannot speak freely, the freedom has been taken away, even if those in power have only given a false impression of their power to deny your right to free speech. I haven't been in Canada in about ten years, so I can't directly point to any violation of free speech there.
Then again, if this someone moaning about free speech on this site... forget it.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateShut up, fool.
This is my feeling, either we have free speech or we don't.
Perhaps the definition of 'speech' needs to be clarified, 'speech' refers to any form of communication, literal or otherwise. Hence, slogans, symbols, art, clothing, tattoos, hand gestures and internet avatars can be considered 'speech'.
You may find my expression of thoughts, concep ...[text shortened]... cases, be prepared to be proven wrong. Keep an open mind and don't be a sheep.
Originally posted by darvlaySeveral things I believe in, words I have used in my daily life for years, are now curtailed due to the fact that they are no longer "politically correct" nor fit in with so called current trends.
Do you feel that your speech rights have been curtailed personally? Can you give an example?
I remember when we used to order a "blackman" from the ice cream van when I was younger. It consisted of two chocolate nougat wafers with icecream in between - it looked like the big smiling teeth of a blackman face. Nowadays it would be considered offensive to black people.
Simple abbreviated words for Pakistani and Chinese people are now considered offensive, cartoons lampooning religious beings can now lead to calls for death.
There is even a chance of an American student going to jail for putting a copy of the Koran in the toilet!!
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/30/which-of-these-is-a-crime-in-america/
Maybe he should have used the pages to wipe his bum first. When you were a poor student and ran out of toilet paper then pages from old books and newspapers were used as substitutes, or was that just me 😉
It's getting to the point that you will soon be unable to fart in a railway carriage just in case someone objects to the smell.
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Originally posted by adramforallWow, what a list of important things you can no longer do. I feel your pain.[/sarcasm]
Several things I believe in, words I have used in my daily life for years, are now curtailed due to the fact that they are no longer "politically correct" nor fit in with so called current trends.
I remember when we used to order a "blackman" from the ice cream van when I was younger. It consisted of two chocolate nougat wafers with icecream in betwe ill soon be unable to fart in a railway carriage just in case someone objects to the smell.
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Originally posted by adramforalladimfool, what do you think the politically correct brigade have to do with fundamental muslims?
Several things I believe in, words I have used in my daily life for years, are now curtailed due to the fact that they are no longer "politically correct" nor fit in with so called current trends.
I remember when we used to order a "blackman" from the ice cream van when I was younger. It consisted of two chocolate nougat wafers with icecream in betwe ...[text shortened]... ill soon be unable to fart in a railway carriage just in case someone objects to the smell.
As for your blackman... You say "nowadays it would be considered offensive to black people", I think what you mean to say is "nowadays that black people are no longer treated as lesser people, we can no longer get away with racially ridiculing them".
Are you telling me that Pakistanis only recently started finding being called "paki" offensive? Considering the racial abuse that has been associated with the term, I find it hard to believe that is the case.
And you might want to read into the case you cited. Of course, I guess it's muslims, blacks, pakistanis and the pc brigade's fault that there are laws to prevent destruction of other people's property in place. 🙄
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