Originally posted by SakeBut why, why was Robben not fit and where were the others. All selected players from all nations are coming off their respective leagues. I agree Robben was rather predictable. What you outline seems to be a prevailing theme amongst losers. Internal dissension, sniping, backstabbing. Huntelear sounds like a veritable locker-room cancer. That's too bad. I can think of few teams with as much talent as the Dutch. De Jong is simply a thug who should not be on any team, period!
So many answers to give:
1. Huntelaar. Germany's topscorer was outraged when he was 2nd choice behind Van Persie. And he showed that constantly during the training sessions, in the hotel. That has an effect on the teamspirit. It was topic in the main tv euro talkshows. That reaches Twitter, Facebook and the players/staff. When the result stays away, it becomes ...[text shortened]... I suppose.
Only the goalkeeper was alright and Sneijder did what he could, but was alaone.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoTheir fitness is a puzzle for many. Astonishing. Former players say that when you have to chase your opponents, the ball and get empty handed all the time, it makes you more tired then when you have the ball, have control. Maybe so.
But why, why was Robben not fit and where were the others. All selected players from all nations are coming off their respective leagues. I agree Robben was rather predictable. What you outline seems to be a prevailing theme amongst losers. Internal dissension, sniping, backstabbing. Huntelear sounds like a veritable locker-room cancer. That's too bad. ...[text shortened]... th as much talent as the Dutch. De Jong is simply a thug who should not be on any team, period!
It wouldn't surprise me when a lack of faith from the start has the same impact.
I have a feeling the sniping was going on before the EC started. My idea is it started after the 3-0 defeat in a friendly against Germany. We were blown away. It could have been 6/7-0 as well. And we did our very best with almost the same players as in 2010. It did not only hurt, it broke the teamspirit, faith.
And though the 2nd spot in 2010 was mindblowing, gave ego's a boost, it was not because of some brilliance, but luck (the semi's against Brasil in mind, it should have been 4-0 down before half time).
I can understand Huntelaar. He's not as skillfull as Van Persie, not by far, but he's more effective in scoring goals. A brilliant header.
Van Persie has always been desputable. We in the Netherlands believe he's not a center forward at all. He is the one who should play at Sneijders position. At Feyenoord where he started when van Marwijk was the coach, leading this mediocre squad to win the Eurocup in 2002, he played the left wing. But just as many times he was on the bench after quarrel #346 with Van Marwijk. But we already have Sneijder for that position. So Van Persie presented himself as the center forward in the dutch squad, or there was no room for him on the pitch at all despite his talent. I believe this is still an issue when it's not going the right way. I also believe I'm not far off when I say that Sneijder tells him he sucks when Van Persie screwes up a Sneijder pass. And that Van Persie is pissed when he is taking off when Sneijder plays a so so game.
And don't forget, the dutch are maybe the less patriotic nation around in the world. Sometimes patriotism is needed to step over ones own ego.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoReally? Personally I didn't think he looked quite so effective in the two seasons since the last world cup as he did in the two seasons prior to it, although it's hard to find stats to support that view. What aspect of his game has impressed you so much?
I don't deny it. I said it. However, Rooney won me back by playing a tremendous two club seasons after WC fiasco. I said some bad things about England as well. They played a listless WC, but now are every bit as hard playing as any team wanting to hoist the cup. I bet they even win their group!
Originally posted by spurs73as i was saying.....
Germany to beat the Netherlands in the final
England to make SF
Hodgsons- keeping it tight at the back and wining 1-0 s to shock the rest of the Europe as England go all the way to the SF!
Ok I got Holland wrong...but still going strong for England to reach SF.... then anything can happen.
Feel so happy for Roy Hodgeson after all the rubbish he had to take from the media and the brain washed england fans... now he has showen what he can do..
Originally posted by SakeAgreed on all subjects and your excellent analysis. That's too bad! Perhaps a mild nationalist push is needed. Dutch have been world players for a long time in history and have figured strongly in all human endeavors. Certainly more to be proud of than not. Provided USA with hearty immigrants who settled then unwanted lands effectively. Good looking women as well.
Their fitness is a puzzle for many. Astonishing. Former players say that when you have to chase your opponents, the ball and get empty handed all the time, it makes you more tired then when you have the ball, have control. Maybe so.
It wouldn't surprise me when a lack of faith from the start has the same impact.
I have a feeling the sniping was going on bef ...[text shortened]... c nation around in the world. Sometimes patriotism is needed to step over ones own ego.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatMore than the actual play is his resiliency after an awful WC showing. He decided to go out and play whereas other players might have seen their careers falter from then on. I have a lot of respect for those who reinvent themselves. Stats may have been better in the two seasons prior, but said stats would be negated by awful WC.
Really? Personally I didn't think he looked quite so effective in the two seasons since the last world cup as he did in the two seasons prior to it, although it's hard to find stats to support that view. What aspect of his game has impressed you so much?
Today's goal celebration was indeed funny! I like a clever, but subdued celebration. also look at his attitude when he misses, In WC he would sulk and play awful after a miss. Today he laughs and tried harder. Also quite a clean player.
I told you England would win the group! Now they face an often indigestible opponent in Italy. Italy will be like Ukraine, bu with talent. Ukraine squandered tons of opportunities a talented team would have converted then got unlucky in the goal line controversy. It was about time one like that went in England's favor.
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Originally posted by spurs73Have to agree with you there even though he has had a bit of luck to do it. Italy in the last 8... who knows. Wanted and thought Ukraine would win today but all credit to the coach.
Feel so happy for Roy Hodgeson after all the rubbish he had to take from the media and the brain washed england fans... now he has showen what he can do..
Originally posted by spurs73I think you mean to bore the rest of Europe into submission, England have to be the
as i was saying.....
Ok I got Holland wrong...but still going strong for England to reach SF.... then anything can happen.
Feel so happy for Roy Hodgeson after all the rubbish he had to take from the media and the brain washed england fans... now he has showen what he can do..
most mediocre and thoroughly boring team in the history of boredom, for goodness
sake someone knock them out in the name of entertainment.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoAgreed. Reasons enough to be a little pride about. We have difficulties to handle pride. It's easy translated as arrogance, big mouthed, showing off and 'we' hate that. A reason why the US is not very popular.
Agreed on all subjects and your excellent analysis. That's too bad! Perhaps a mild nationalist push is needed. Dutch have been world players for a long time in history and have figured strongly in all human endeavors. Certainly more to be proud of than not. Provided USA with hearty immigrants who settled then unwanted lands effectively. Good looking women as well.
In football we have nobody coming after this generation. In 2014 we still may play a role, but in 2016 the big boys are 32 or so. The few half talents were on the bench, or just not good in enough in the eyes of the staff (Willems not included).
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is gonna be sore when those sour grapes hit your digestive system.😕
I think you mean to bore the rest of Europe into submission, England have to be the
most mediocre and thoroughly boring team in the history of boredom, for goodness
sake someone knock them out in the name of entertainment.
Originally posted by spurs73I predicted they'd make the quarters ass winners of their group. However, I might have to agree with Trev33 and Carrobie that Italy may prove to be too much in the end. If they start their game with the jitters shown against Ukraine Italy may capitalize much better.
as i was saying.....
Ok I got Holland wrong...but still going strong for England to reach SF.... then anything can happen.
Feel so happy for Roy Hodgeson after all the rubbish he had to take from the media and the brain washed england fans... now he has showen what he can do..
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Originally posted by SakeWell language conventions need to be set aside. Get a wee bit of the Yank attitude already! The difference is we don't care what others think. We don't care if others dislike us. Surely the Dutch don't care if they are disliked, eh? There are few tiny nations who have contributed so much to the world. Netherlands and Scotland come to mind right away. The list of achievements is endless. Then look at your big brothers Germany and England. It goes without saying that the arrogant pride of us Yanks comes from our greatest ethnic influence in the forming of our nation. Germans and people from the UK, including the Irish and Scots. Add the great Hispanic influence and our wonderful African brothers, Asian and Indian influence and voila! A melting pot of Yanks who fear no one regardless of our lack of football talent!
Agreed. Reasons enough to be a little pride about. We have difficulties to handle pride. It's easy translated as arrogance, big mouthed, showing off and 'we' hate that. A reason why the US is not very popular.
In football we have nobody coming after this generation. In 2014 we still may play a role, but in 2016 the big boys are 32 or so. The few half talents ...[text shortened]... ere on the bench, or just not good in enough in the eyes of the staff (Willems not included).
I agree the Dutch window is closing and very rapidly. hey have some kins to work out of their system before the next WC. Hopefully they wil learn from this bad experience.
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Originally posted by kevcvs57As far as I am concerned, New York and London are to be considered as being in evil cahoots on all matters financial. And the signal for the housing crisis to spill over into banking was Northern Rock, so...
Think you will find that it was the US housing bubble that screwed the global economy.
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Originally posted by scacchipazzoOh, well, that one is easy to answer: Bayern München. They fscked him up by over-training and over-playing him before and after the last World Cup and then had the gall to blame the Dutch national team for it and they've done it again.
But why, why was Robben not fit
De Jong is simply a thug who should not be on any team, period!
True, and I've said so before. Heitinga is not much better, either.
Richard