Originally posted by Proper KnobAgain, why would NASA find it necessary to lie at all?
It's not just NASA, the Russians are therefore lying along with the Chinese. Why are they all lying?
If it can be shown they are, indeed, lying, would your question turn to 'why do they find it necessary to lie?' or would you still broaden your query to ask 'how is it possible they are all lying?'
Originally posted by wolfgang59You declared the formula is wrong (this is the formula used by those presenting the globe model, the one based upon the mathematics required for the curvature of a sphere in the reported dimensions of this planet, not one dreamed up by flat earthers), and yet you twist to hang me with it?
You obviously don't know what the formula is.
You have just been taken in by the flat earth propaganda - not done
any research apart from looking up "flat earth" on YouTube. You say
either "the formula" is wrong or the Earth is flat yet cannot provide
the mysterious formula! You are a charlatan and a fool.
It is the rate of curvature--- the given rate of curvature accepted by so-called science--- with which you have your problem.
It is your inability to form a cogent and compelling argument on the topic which leads to your continued stalling.
Get with it or admit you were wrong and pound sand.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHThere is no formula for the "given rate of curvature" for the Earth.
You declared the formula is wrong (this is the formula used by those presenting the globe model, the one based upon the mathematics required for the curvature of a sphere in the reported dimensions of this planet, not one dreamed up by flat earthers), and yet you twist to hang me with it?
It is the rate of curvature--- the given rate of curvature accept ...[text shortened]... c which leads to your continued stalling.
Get with it or admit you were wrong and pound sand.
The Earth is not a mathematical object, it's not a perfect sphere, nor is it a perfect oblate spheroid.
It's a physical dynamic object the can be roughly approximated by a sphere or an oblate spheroid
but the precise curvature at any given point on the Earth's surface is measured not calculated or
chucked out of some formula. And as the Earth is a dynamic system that curvature changes with
time.
Now for our purposes one can simply use the approximation of a sphere because that's plenty close
enough to reality for any debate over whether the Earth is flat or sphericalish.
In which case the curve is given by junior school equations for a circle.
But the idea that there is a magic 'formula' that tells you the precise curve of the Earth at any point is
a fiction of your own imagination.
Originally posted by googlefudgeWhoa.
There is no formula for the "given rate of curvature" for the Earth.
The Earth is not a mathematical object, it's not a perfect sphere, nor is it a perfect oblate spheroid.
It's a physical dynamic object the can be roughly approximated by a sphere or an oblate spheroid
but the precise curvature at any given point on the Earth's surface is measured ...[text shortened]... at tells you the precise curve of the Earth at any point is
a fiction of your own imagination.
Thank you, junior college intern professor, for illuminating our otherwise darkened part of the world.
The rate of curvature has already been established to be somewhat malleable in nature, but otherwise, fairly consistent over the surface of the globe.
Now, if you're done stalling, for the--- what? eleventeenth time?--- where is that rate incorrect?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Whoa.
Thank you, junior college intern professor, for illuminating our otherwise darkened part of the world.
The rate of curvature has already been established to be somewhat malleable in nature, but otherwise, fairly consistent over the surface of the globe.
Now, if you're done stalling, for the--- what? eleventeenth time?--- where is that rate incorrect?
Now, if you're done stalling, for the--- what? eleventeenth time?--- where is that rate incorrect?
This is my second post in this thread so accusing me of stalling is pretty stupid on your part.
And you seem to be confused, I/WE are not the ones claiming that the rate of the Earth's curvature
is wrong because I/WE are not the ones claiming it to be flat.
YOU are the one claiming a formula that indicates a rate of curvature inconsistent with observed reality.
I have no idea what formula YOU have in mind but the basic equations of geometry that tell you about
the properties of a sphere produce results that are consistent with nature within a small margin of error
from the Earth not actually being a perfect sphere [or really a perfect anything].
YOU are the one claiming that the mathematics says that if the Earth was roughly spherical we would
observe things we don't actually observe. To which WE say bullstuff and show us the maths/observations
to prove it.
Which you duly failed to do in spectacular fashion in the last thread.
Originally posted by googlefudgeYou, wolfgang, or etc., you're both pretty interchangeable.Now, if you're done stalling, for the--- what? eleventeenth time?--- where is that rate incorrect?
This is my second post in this thread so accusing me of stalling is pretty stupid on your part.
And you seem to be confused, I/WE are not the ones claiming that the rate of the Earth's curvature
is wrong because I/WE are not the ones ...[text shortened]... vations
to prove it.
Which you duly failed to do in spectacular fashion in the last thread.
You decided to jump in on the gambit, so if you don't like the fire, stay out of the kitchen.
Either follow the conversation and answer the question or just butt out.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI read the thread, followed the question. and I frikin answered it.
You, wolfgang, or etc., you're both pretty interchangeable.
You decided to jump in on the gambit, so if you don't like the fire, stay out of the kitchen.
Either follow the conversation and answer the question or just butt out.
THERE IS NO EQUATION and saying that IS the answer to you asking us to provide it.
Originally posted by googlefudgeAre you having a laugh?
I read the thread, followed the question. and I frikin answered it.
THERE IS NO EQUATION and saying that IS the answer to you asking us to provide it.
There is no equation for the curvature of the earth?
What a freaking idiot.
Go back to sleep, sweet boy.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHNo I am not having a laugh, I do not find you funny.
Are you having a laugh?
There is no equation for the curvature of the earth?
What a freaking idiot.
Go back to sleep, sweet boy.
And don't speak to me like we are anything but enemies.
I despise and detest you, try to remember that.
As I explained in my first post in this thread, the Earth is not a mathematical object.
We have no equation dictating the precise shape of the Earth, we MEASURE the shape
of the Earth and the curvature at different points on it's surface.
As time goes on our measurements get more and more precise and we get a better and better
approximation of the actual shape but at no point did we have a formula telling us the precise
curve at any given point.
What we do have, are equations that give the rough approximation of the curvature if you model
the Earth as a perfect sphere or a perfect oblate spheroid. Both relatively simple mathematical
objects. The approximations from those simple equations are more than good enough for most
purposes, certainly for ours. But still, they do not give us the actual precise curvature at any, let
alone all points on the Earth's surface.
This is particularly true given that the Earth's shape changes with time, and so any such equation
would have to also change with every Earthquake and shift in magma that occurs.
So no, there is no equation for the Curvature of the Earth.
Which is what I made clear in my first post.
Now clearly, if there is no equation for the curvature of the Earth, then we cannot give it to you and
thus telling you this and explaining why IS answering your question.
You can opt not to like or believe that answer, but it's an answer none the less.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNo.
You declared the formula is wrong (this is the formula used by those presenting the globe model, the one based upon the mathematics required for the curvature of a sphere in the reported dimensions of this planet, not one dreamed up by flat earthers), and yet you twist to hang me with it?
It is the rate of curvature--- the given rate of curvature accept ...[text shortened]... c which leads to your continued stalling.
Get with it or admit you were wrong and pound sand.
You declared the formula wrong or the earth was flat.
I said then the formula must be wrong and asked to see the equation.
A simple request.
I cannot read minds and deduce your formula.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAs I sat through the first thread about this in Spirituality and now this one, without a peep, I insist that you tell me if you seriously believe the Earth is flat or if you are, indeed, "taking the piss" from all the posters in this thread.
Are you having a laugh?
There is no equation for the curvature of the earth?
What a freaking idiot.
Go back to sleep, sweet boy.
You can just shoot me a PM if you don't want to ruin the fun. I promise not to spill.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThese are questions for you to provide answers to, it is you after all who believes in the conspiracy.
Again, why would NASA find it necessary to lie at all?
If it can be shown they are, indeed, lying, would your question turn to 'why do they find it necessary to lie?' or would you still broaden your query to ask 'how is it possible they are all lying?'
Originally posted by wolfgang59Then what do you think is the circumference of Earth ?
Aristarchus's calculation for distance of Sun (c.300BCE) was more like a factor of 100 off.
However that is beside the point - I was originally answering your question as to how could anyone disagree with the circumference of the Earth - I am not agreeing with it.