Originally posted by CrowleyExcellent point. There are idiots everywhere though. In the US, we call them "Raiders Fans".
I thought it was just alcohol fueled stupidity, but actually saying something like 'I will defend my team's honour'? This goes beyond belief, even for an impressionable idiot like Fred.
When my team loses and the opposing supporters give me crap, I just smile and say 'See you next year, [insert mild insult here]', but there is no way I get home with a bla ...[text shortened]... , for a first world, civilised country, the English can really be a bunch of idiotic thugs.
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Originally posted by expressiveoutburstI think that as a pregame event prior to the match, any 'hooligans' choosing to participate should be herded into the center of the stadium and allowed to fight it out with the opposing teams hooligans. Weaponry will be agreed upon before the brawl and will include chains, knives, clubs (spike/non-spiked), brass knuckles, lengths of pipe and large double ended dildos. Revenue from the Pay Per View fees broadcasting these pre game brawls wil be used as prize money for the victors, hospital bills, blood cleanup and body bags.
I had the very horrible experience today of getting caught up in football hooliganism after the Swansea/Millwall game today, and some of the things I had to witness were completely out of order! There were thousands of fans outside the ground fighting with police, throwing rocks and wood at police and the horses, the horses and dogs were charging ...[text shortened]... ep happening at football matches? Swansea won the game for gods sake! No need for it whatsoever!
I think that you'll all agree that resolving differences in an open way is really best for all involved. This will keep violence off the streets and in a controlled environment. Plus it will psych up the true fans while keeping them safe.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateCan we have some lions and christians while we're at it?
I think that as a pregame event prior to the match, any 'hooligans' choosing to participate should be herded into the center of the stadium and allowed to fight it out with the opposing teams hooligans. Weaponry will be agreed upon before the brawl and will include chains, knives, clubs (spike/non-spiked), brass knuckles, lengths of pipe and large do ...[text shortened]... nd in a controlled environment. Plus it will psych up the true fans while keeping them safe.
Originally posted by invigorateHey, we're making good progress with the geography. During a recent survey, nearly 80% of all high school students were able to locate the northern hemisphere on a map in no greater than two attempts.
Do we say that?
We might question your politics. We might infer you a a dodgey knowledge of world geography. But rarely do we say you are uncivilised barbarians.
Originally posted by rbmorrisIt was kinda charming when the Raiders were a good team, but now it's just a bit pathetic.
Excellent point. There are idiots everywhere though. In the US, we call them "Raiders Fans".
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I must say, I'm really disappointed that the Raiders managed to win their first game this week. Why can't we get an 0-16 season in the NFL?
I've just read all the posts on this thread and am now ready to throw my two penn'orth in...
Football hooliganism has existed for years, the general public's perception is dictated by what the media broadcast... when the media don't report it Joe Public thinks that it's gone away... hooliganism has never gone anywhere, it's always being there.
Wherever a large number of men congregate there will always be conflict - this does seem especially true of English men, I'm not sure if it's something to do with being an island race or not? Historically England has not been the nicest country - invading other countries and sticking The Union Flag on the map... obviously this is not an excuse for present day hooliganism, but some character traits and passions do run very deep. Look at how us English still view Germans over 50 years after WWII ended...
Football hooliganism is restricted generally to the people that want to get involved, but inevitably there is sometimes a spill over in to genuine football fans.
In my experience alcohol has little to do with football violence, as the firms go looking for trouble with opposing firms even when they're sober.
Expelling visiting fans from grounds isn't the answer to the problem, as someone else stated earlier all that does is punish genuine supporters whilst also nulifying the atmosphere in the stadium.
As I see it, the only answer to the hooliganism problem (and societies problem in general) is to bring back National Service... this is too late for the 30 and 40 somethings that are involved, but would hopefully inject the youth of today with some standards and respect for people and property.
Originally posted by blade68Good points. Although National Service is a not something that would be allowed under the human rights law. Thankfully.
I've just read all the posts on this thread and am now ready to throw my two penn'orth in...
Football hooliganism has existed for years, the general public's perception is dictated by what the media broadcast... when the media don't report it Joe Public thinks that it's gone away... hooliganism has never gone anywhere, it's always being there.
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Originally posted by invigorateCan you elaborate upon National Service not being allowed under human rights law? The draft, manditory military service and in some cases manditory civil service is typically not frowned upon. I think some form of military and/or civil service is a great idea and would only change western culture for the better. Even a year of service would be useful, plus, coupling this with some basic technical/practical education would be fantastic.
Good points. Although National Service is a not something that would be allowed under the human rights law. Thankfully.