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Originally posted by Starrman
Dell suck, any person setting out to build their own PC should seek out advice sites and visit part suppliers, asking before they buy. Paying a multinational company reknowned for poor quality and system configurations which make replacing or upgrading parts as expensive as possible, is foolish.
I bought mine from Dixons, after checking a similar system on dell at nearly €400 over the price (not even adding anything).

To the original poster -

You can probably get a decent ready made system without having to learn how to assemble yourself, just because you can buy it cheaper in parts, doesn't make it better. If you haven't built a PC before, go to PC world, or similar type store and get the best advice on specs, then shop around in other stores for a similar unit. Just remember that , if you are not experienced in PC maintenance, theres a lot to be said for a good tech support plan 🙂

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Hmmmm. A friend of mine bought a Dell machine 18 months ago, and has had no end of grief through it. He did it on the premise of getting one year's full support. SLOBLOCKS! It has done nothing but go through malfunction after malfunction, and they just dont come out to look at it. Since the one year warranty has expired, he has had the back off and what is inside is just a piss poor bag o biz. It offers no scalabilty of any kind and is worthy of nothing but the scrapheap.
You can build a PC of the same spec for half the price of what DELL offer and learn something at thesame time. It's not that hard. And as for support? There are plenty of online tech support forums.

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http://store.over-clock.com just upgraded my water cooling rig from here it does a System Builder.

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Originally posted by jimslyp69
Hmmmm. A friend of mine bought a Dell machine 18 months ago, and has had no end of grief through it. He did it on the premise of getting one year's full support. SLOBLOCKS! It has done nothing but go through malfunction after malfunction, and they just dont come out to look at it. Since the one year warranty has expired, he has had the back off and what is ...[text shortened]... time. It's not that hard. And as for support? There are plenty of online tech support forums.
if you don't want to go with a big business, you could always try a smaller computer shop. you tell them what you want, they'll build it for you. it'll cost more, sure, but it's less hastle. you may also get support. ask around...

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Originally posted by bat212
http://store.over-clock.com just upgraded my water cooling rig from here it does a System Builder.
Why in the hell do you need watercooling?

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Originally posted by lordhighgus
dual core processor.
MMMM..... Dual core processor!
Got one in my office was really excited then I used it after I strip off all the extra bs they sold with it maybe I’ll see the difference.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Why in the hell do you need watercooling?
They run more quietly.

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Originally posted by bat212
http://store.over-clock.com just upgraded my water cooling rig from here it does a System Builder.
as stated earlier. Dell sucks.

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
They run more quietly.
Water pumps are not quiet.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Why in the hell do you need watercooling?
So you can run your cpu at lower temperatures and therefore increased performance through overclocking.

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Originally posted by Starrman
So you can run your cpu at lower temperatures and therefore increased performance through overclocking.
You can get better performance for your money using aircooling except at the very top end (at which point you're better just to mount your computer inside a freezer).

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
You can get better performance for your money using aircooling except at the very top end (at which point you're better just to mount your computer inside a freezer).
People who build overclocking rigs rarely look for value for money first, they look for what specs they want to fill and then look at how cheap you can get the parts. In a decent rig, aircooling doesn't cut the mustard.

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Originally posted by Starrman
People who build overclocking rigs rarely look for value for money first, they look for what specs they want to fill and then look at how cheap you can get the parts. In a decent rig, aircooling doesn't cut the mustard.
For that to be true you would have to running bleeding edge stuff at a large overclock. For one buying bleeding edge is a bad plan in terms of value for money anyway (if you look at the graphs on the guide I posted you'll see why, you pay a huge premium for maybe a few percent improvement). For another water cooling is expensive in and of itself. Well expensive if you want to do it right and really if you are going to running liquid inside your computer you shouldn't be thinking about not doing it right (if it breaks you're in trouble).

So if you want to go the watercooling route go right ahead, however realise that unless you are running the latest stuff at insane speeds then you are wasting your money as the system could easily be run cheaper using aircooling.