Originally posted by JesusFreak2562000Faith by definition means a belief in something that can not be proven.
atheist beware god is real prove me wrong
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
You can't have it both ways.
Just found this thread there’s a rather similar one in the Spirituality forum Thread 38271.
Jesus freak please accept that people can believe what they want if they don't impose it on you. In return don't impose your views on them. Let people think what they want. Argue with them if you want but don't just make claims try and have a point and accept that at the end of the argument everyone’s views will be the same but there minds maybe more open.
More importantly could you learn to use basic grammar and spell words correctly the odd typo is fine but they way you type is unreadable. The only thing it accomplishes is reducing my respect for you and reducing any effect what you might have said has.
1. An assessment of awe of the world/universe around us is purely subjective. There is absolutely no basis, from the point of view of either the theist or atheist (or any of the other denominations), that a God exists (or does not) based on this assessment.
2. There is no onus on anyone to prove anything unless they need to for there own security (or if they are being sent to jail). Therefore, an atheist, or a believer don't have to do anything if they are happy and at peace with philosophy.
However, having a clear stance on an issue, such as stating "there is no such thing as God" or "there is a God and his name is Len Johnon" does bring with it the burden of proof if one is to stand up for such a belief. I.e. if you want to go around with a catagory label of, for example, "atheist", and strongly champion that philosophy, then the burden of proof must rest with that individual. Again, this is the same for the theist.
Thus, if one is in active debate on an issue, the lack of appearance or scientific evidence of a phenomenon is no more proof of non-existence than a lack of proof of the contrary is proof of existence. The line "I don't have to prove anything" is misguided if one is defending their stance.
P.S. this rave ignored the obvious anomaly of faith, cos it is irrelevant to the thread.
Originally posted by Rosa KorganeIt is irrelevant because the thread solicitor created the thread in an attempt to demonstrate the neccessity of proof for his opponents opinion and, therefore, also for his own. When proof is a neccessity, faith is an irrelevancy.
Interesting assessment of what is relevant and what is not in this thread.
Originally posted by KalsenA fair point. But only based on your arguement "the thread solicitor created the thread in an attempt to demonstrate the neccessity of proof for his opponents opinion and, therefore, also for his own. " - when a more reasonable argument might be - the thread solicitor is a troll. A troll who joined this site yesterday and has not even completed one game.
It is irrelevant because the thread solicitor created the thread in an attempt to demonstrate the neccessity of proof for his opponents opinion and, therefore, also for his own. When proof is a neccessity, faith is an irrelevancy.
Perhaps what you meant to say was "this rave ignored the obvious anomaly of faith, cos (sic) I believe it is irrelevant to the thread." Since the relevancy of bringing up faith in a discussion of religion - where is it obviously impossible by definition to prove or not prove - is open to interpetation.
Originally posted by Rosa KorganeNo, I disagree entirely. I reckon it is quite clear faith is irrelevant to the subject at hand - even for no other reason than we do not have a thread if faith is an available stance because there is no debating or even discussing faith. It would be pointless in the context of this discussion.
Perhaps what you meant to say was "this rave ignored the obvious anomaly of faith, cos (sic) I believe it is irrelevant to the thread." Since the relevancy of bringing up faith in a discussion of religion - where is it obviously impossible by definition to prove or not prove - is open to interpetation.
Originally posted by KalsenGetting back to your original post - I pretty much agree completely. I thought you nailed it.
It is irrelevant because the thread solicitor created the thread in an attempt to demonstrate the neccessity of proof for his opponents opinion and, therefore, also for his own. When proof is a neccessity, faith is an irrelevancy.
The thread itself is flawed. Every single reasonable person in the world, of all faiths (oops, there is that word again), knows these things can not be proven. For someone to say "prove it" they are not trying to discuss the existance of God - they are trolling for sport. To get people excited.
There is no argument. We will all see when the time comes. It can not be proven. That is the whole idea. If God wanted us to "know" instead of having faith, he (she?) would just show up and say, "Here I am".
So you win on points but the game is oh so flawed.
Originally posted by Rosa KorganeAgreed.
Getting back to your original post - I pretty much agree completely. I thought you nailed it.
The thread itself is flawed. Every single reasonable person in the world, of all faiths (oops, there is that word again), knows these things can not be proven. For someone to say "prove it" they are not trying to discuss the existance of God - they are trol ...[text shortened]... d just show up and say, "Here I am".
So you win on points but the game is oh so flawed.
Originally posted by JesusFreak2562000Another ignorant person who wants to believe something a bunch of OLD MEN wrote over 2000 years ago! God (if he/she exists) DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE!
first it's not "my god" it's the god and How can you look at this world and not be struck with awe. how can say this is chance any close to the sun we would burn up any farther from it and we would freeze chance ha! you can't understand because no one but Jesus can no human can But we know he God creator of hevaen and earth has a plan and knows all even how many hairs are on your head and he has a purpose for everthing
And BTW, the earth oscillates 2 million miles closer and farther from the sun during it's elliptical orbit around it.
Originally posted by Rosa KorganeGets my rec. Like sticking a twig into a hornets nest just to see
Getting back to your original post - I pretty much agree completely. I thought you nailed it.
The thread itself is flawed. Every single reasonable person in the world, of all faiths (oops, there is that word again), knows these things can not be proven. For someone to say "prove it" they are not trying to discuss the existance of God - they are trol ...[text shortened]... d just show up and say, "Here I am".
So you win on points but the game is oh so flawed.
what pops up. He has no intentions of actual debate, just deflections.
Originally posted by JesusFreak2562000Just out of curiosity, do you actually play chess or did you come here
first it's not "my god" it's the god and How can you look at this world and not be struck with awe. how can say this is chance any close to the sun we would burn up any farther from it and we would freeze chance ha! you can't understand because no one but Jesus can no human can But we know he God creator of hevaen and earth has a plan and knows all even how many hairs are on your head and he has a purpose for everthing
just to stir up trouble? And a spell checker is a good thing you know.
Or just a dictionary, I know its painful to actually stop your so-called
train of thought but you might even learn something when you look
up a word or two now and again. I admit it. I, yes, the incredibly
facile mind you hear flopping before you, use a dictionary. I am
not proud of this, you are the first person I have admitted it to.
I am outed now, reverent user of dictionaries, Yes, I started with
the one page definition folder you get in school, but now I am on
the hard stuff. I sneak an LED flashlight in bed sometimes,
dictionary in hand, perusing random pages, looking for the pictures
of native african's in their finery. You should try it, you'll like it.
Originally posted by JesusFreak2562000Jesus.
first it's not "my god" it's the god and How can you look at this world and not be struck with awe. how can say this is chance any close to the sun we would burn up any farther from it and we would freeze chance ha! you can't understand because no one but Jesus can no human can But we know he God creator of hevaen and earth has a plan and knows all even how many hairs are on your head and he has a purpose for everthing