Originally posted by FMFI have often heard in videos African Americans calling themselves, Nigg**, do you feel that such self identification makes the term valid?
Black British identity as they themselves define it and express it through English is certainly not "some jive talk". Have you put this theory to any of the black people you have met?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's a different word, robbie. "Blackie" is intended as a slur. "Blackie" is wielded deliberately as an insult. "Blackie" is used to signal contempt. "Blackie" is pejorative. The word "black" isn't, although presumably you think it is.
Soooo 'black', is ok but 'blackie', is not. Please forgive me, perhaps it my way of thinking, but how is it any different?
Originally posted by FMFFine i just don't understand how people are cool with it.
It's a different word, robbie. "Blackie" is intended as a slur. "Blackie" is wielded deliberately as an insult. "Blackie" is used to signal contempt. "Blackie" is pejorative. The word "black" isn't, although presumably you think it is.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt makes it valid for them to use it if they so choose. It's also clear in America that African Americans see the use of that word by non-blacks as a slur and deliberate demonstration of racist disrespect. So in those circumstances, it would hardly be a "valid" word for a non-blacks to use, unless of course they want to deliver a racial slur. I don't see this appropriation of the word by people who were assaulted with it as problem.
I have often heard in videos African Americans calling themselves, Nigg**, do you feel that such self identification makes the term valid?
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Originally posted by FMFGee dude i dunno if you have satisfactorily told us why you don't use other colours to describe people based on some absurd interpretation of their skin pigmentation. Sure you tell us the use of 'black', is a kind of social convention and cite that certain segments of society allegedly self identify with its use but you haven't explained why you don't use other colours to describe different ethnicities. Or do you but you aren't telling us?
But how does you not understanding make me a racist? How does it justify you suggesting that I don't see people as individuals? What kind of dreary banter is this, robbie?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAll language and the way it is used is a matter of social convention. Presumably you are using the expression "certain segments of society" as a kind of euphemism. That, and the fact you claim black British people only "allegedly self identify" as black [..."allegedly"? So you can't even take black people who do self identify that way at their word?], makes me think you've scarcely spoken to any of them about race and language at all (or perhaps about anything), let alone personally reprimanded them - as you would have us believe - for the way they speak and tried to impose, unilaterally, your etymology-based PC notions on them.
Gee dude i dunno if you have satisfactorily told us why you don't use other colours to describe people based on some absurd interpretation of their skin pigmentation. Sure you tell us the use of 'black', is a kind of social convention and cite that certain segments of society allegedly self identify with its use but you haven't explained why you don't use other colours to describe different ethnicities. Or do you but you aren't telling us?
Originally posted by Captain Strangerobbie carrobie's entire persona and brand of "comedy" here is about quite deliberately not discussing things honestly and/or burying his lack of ideas (and lack of genuine interest) under a pile of highly personalized deflections, moved goalposts, catchphrases and buzz words bizarrely repeated over and over, and similarly overused red herrings. 😛
Fair point.
FMF has a herculean task ahead.
Originally posted by FMFYes, the insults have started from robbie.
robbie carrobie's entire persona and brand of "comedy" here is about quite deliberately not discussing things honestly and/or burying his lack of ideas (and lack of genuine interest) under a pile of highly personalized deflections, moved goalposts, catchphrases and buzz words bizarrely repeated over and over, and similarly overused red herrings. 😛
His next move will be to run saying you just don't understand !
LOL