Originally posted by PhlabibitI would find it fascinating for someone to slip into death for a short period and then be revived. This would answer alot of questions. People who have had things like this happen to them say they just saw themself floating up into the air, but their body was still down on the ground. What is floating must be their spirit- there is no other way to explain it! This would go along with Biblical terms.
You are only 14. I am now twice that age plus some. I still don't know "The Point" of life, but when I was younger I think I used to think a lot like you may be thinking. Now I am very happy with my life, though I still don't know the point.
Hang in there, in another 10 years or so you may get over your depression, or fascination with death... and you'll be glad you are still around. I sure am.
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Originally posted by Miss HopeWhy is it depressing, life is what you make of it. We live on through our children.
That is honestly the most depressing post I have ever read :'(.
This is what works for me, but the question is what do you want from life and what do you expect death to offer that life can not?
Andrew
Originally posted by latex bishopThink about it. If the Bible is correct, we are going to a much better place after death. If the Quaran is correct, we will come back as another animal.
Why is it depressing, life is what you make of it. We live on through our children.
This is what works for me, but the question is what do you want from life and what do you expect death to offer that life can not?
Andrew
Wouldn't you rather do one of those than just rot?
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Originally posted by Miss HopeOrkyboy is referring to the series of books 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'. The joke is that while it was discovered that the answer to the meaning of life is 42, nobody is quite sure what the question is.
What was the point of this post? To spam or just to annoy everyone!? I must ask. This matter of suicide is not to be dealt with lightly! I do not understand your innerself. There are over 8000 websites that give step by step instructions ...[text shortened]... r life!
The Annoyed and Frustrated
Miss Hope
In answer to your particular question, there is no universal point to life. Work out what is important to you and what makes you happy. Concern yourself with the former and fill your life with the latter. Believe that there is a specific point to you being here and you may end up going through your entire life worrying that you missed the point entirely, which in fact you would have.
While there could be some sort of life after death, until some adequate proof is put forward it seems a little silly to let any theory along these lines affect your actions while your still alive and kicking.
Always Look on the Bright Side of Life
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble,
Give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistle]
Always look on the light side of life.
[whistle]
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle.
That's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistle]
Always look on the right side of life,
[whistle]
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin.
Give the audience a grin.
Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...
Always look on the bright side of death,
[whistle]
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
[whistle]
Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life.
Always look on the right side of life.
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Always look on the bright side of life!
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Originally posted by Miss HopeI would rathe rnot die full stop! Well that might not be true, if at some point in the future dieing from a painful terminal illness from which there is no cure then switch me off, but apart from that...
Think about it. If the Bible is correct, we are going to a much better place after death. If the Quaran is correct, we will come back as another animal.
Wouldn't you rather do one of those than just rot?
Sure, it would be great to come back as an animal, but I do not belive that is going to happen as there is no scientific evidence on any level to say that could happen in an infinate number of outcomes. So, I happy to deal with the fact that this is my one shot, so I should do my best to enjoy my time here.
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Miss Hope, firstly the 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' is not an idiotic piece of paper. Classics can and are written today as often as they were written in any other time period, though you have to wade through more books to find them (and no I don't consider the before mentioned book a classic, just very funny 🙄 ).
On life after death, Hope it isn't about what we would prefer. I would very much like all the cheerleaders of my favourite footy team (or any team for that matter) to follow me home after a game, but believing it is going to happen is obviously not going to make it true.
Originally posted by dylThey are the best books ever.... well... perhaps not EVER but they are a great read. I keep a white towel in my car, and use it more often than not.
Miss Hope, firstly the 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' is not an idiotic piece of paper. Classics can and are written today as often as they were written in any other time period, though you have to wade through more books to find them (and no I don't consider the before mentioned book a classic, just very funny 🙄 ).
On life after death, Hope it isn't ...[text shortened]... e home after a game, but believing it is going to happen is obviously not going to make it true.
I love the dolphins... especially what makes human think they are smarter, and what makes dolphins know they are smarter.
I can't remember the robot's name... but he kind of reminds me of Bender from Futurama.
Great books.
I agree with Andrew on this one when you die that is it, oxygen no longer reaches the brain and the brain shuts down. So we should make the most of the oportunities we have when they arise.
I have had too many friends die at a young age to be able to see the sense in suicide. Miss Hope if you don't find an answer to you question here don't give up ask for help and talk to people the website mentioned before seems a good place to start.
Mat
Originally posted by Miss HopeFirst, I think this question presupposes a certain view. I think it assumes that there are objects external to the human mind, external to the 'universe of information'. When people see a house, for instance, they mentally do this:
What is the point of life?
Before replying to this post, think about it.
Honestly, it is very hard to come up with one!
If you can come up with an answer, I will not end mine.
Miss Hope-
The Mysterious
"There is a house, therefore my senses alert me to this fact. I see a house."
However, there is another way of looking at the universe. One can suppose as above that objects create information, or that objects are derived from the fact of their own existence. Analogously:
"Some sensation in my eyes causes my mind to turn on a certain cultural pattern of ideas known as 'house'. Therefore, the fact 'a house exists' is true."
Examining the two, we find that science, which deals at bottom with empirical observations, is in no position to refute either of these, because data cannot be placed in our minds independent of observation. Furthermore, logic cannot debunk either. They are scientifically equivalent.
I tend to take the second view: there is a great multitude of information, and from parts of it other parts can be reached by deduction, and other parts can't. (I sometimes picture it as a large diagram, with a vertex for each fact, and a directed edge between two facts if they can be connected by deduction.) Some of the facts can be combined in such a way that they are consistent with each other, and when taken together provide a picture of what we then construe as an object. This may seem strange, but think about in terms of "20 Questions", say. That is all I am really talking about: an object is that which is uniquely determined by a finite description.
Given this, I certainly see a point to life. Simply to try and understand some of this massive system and to integrate one's own patterns into it in a way that creates some sort of aesthetic harmony in the system. The point of life is both to find how the dots connect, and to connect aspects of oneself to them. I suppose this could be placed in the traditional 'objective' view described before, and it would include things like "The purpose of life is to learn how things work and are related, and to include oneself to the greatest extent possible in the physical, social, and ideological connectedness of things."
So when latex bishop says "after you die, you rot", I agree. But I am not depressed, instead, I take this as a testament to the extreme dynamism of the universe. That multitudes of random and accidental processes can combine to deconstruct the sets of information by changing certain facts (all that rotting is) and reintegrate them in new ways is sufficiently wonderful that I feel no need for any supernatural or theological substitute.
Hang in there. Think about this. no one has figured this out completely, but that is no reason not to try. So please do not hold us to the responsibility you imply, and keep going.
~RC
Miss Hope (and any other interested parties),
Perhaps the question "What is the meaning of life?" is wrongly posed, though it seems sensible. Consider the question, "What is the best move in chess?" There is no answer to this abstract question; it al depends on the position. Similarly, perhaps there is no overall answer to the question of whether life has meaning, only meaningful (or meaningless) responses to particular life events in particular contexts.
BTW, don't dare do yourself in, or you may lose whatever chance you had of finding out!
Aiden
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeGreat post. This reminds me of some stuff that was said in the thread 'quantum mind' about chess being a metaphor for life.
Miss Hope (and any other interested parties),
Perhaps the question "What is the meaning of life?" is wrongly posed, though it seems sensible. Consider the question, "What is the best move in chess?" There is no answer to this abstract question; it al depends on the position. Similarly, perhaps there is no overall answer to the question of whether ...[text shortened]... TW, don't dare do yourself in, or you may lose whatever chance you had of finding out!
Aiden
And I strongly second your last motion...I am always saddened by fascinations with death.
Originally posted by Miss Hopewhy do you wish to comit suicide? i know a few people that have though about it, but usually come to the conclusion that it's not worth it. think of all the people you'll hurt! noone, i hear you say? there's always someone! that person that tried to help you but you wouldn't let them. your parents who still love you whatever happens etc. what do you hope to acheive from it? and in heaven or hell, it shall be constantly good or bad. and if you comit suicide, shall you go to heaven, even if your a christain? i mean you killed yourself, comitting a murder that you can't ask for forgiveness of...:p
I would find it fascinating for someone to slip into death for a short period and then be revived. This would answer alot of questions. People who have had things like this happen to them say they just saw themself floating up into the air, but their body was still down on the ground. What is floating must be their spirit- there is no other way to explain it! This would go along with Biblical terms.
Originally posted by Miss HopeDear Miss Hope,
What is the point of life?
Before replying to this post, think about it.
Honestly, it is very hard to come up with one!
If you can come up with an answer, I will not end mine.
Miss Hope-
The Mysterious
When I returned to university four years ago to study philosophy, I hoped to gain some insights into this question, as it was something I had asked myself a lot over the years. I no longer think that philosophy has any ultimate answers, but along the way I discovered that many people over thousands of years have wondered also. Knowing this is some consolation, at least to me.
The way I think about it now goes something like this:
1. We find ourselves abandoned in the world, not knowing why we are here, or even if there is a reason (Sartre said something like this).
2. But we don't know that there is NOT a point to life.
3. So why not accept, as a working hypothesis, that there IS a point, and set out to find out what this is? Perhaps THAT is the point (the journey, not the destination). There is a big, wide world out there, perhaps full of clues to this ultimate mystery. If you devote your life to this quest, I don't think you can go wrong. If you find the point, then you are the most fortunate of people; but if, at the end of your life, you have not found it, or have become convinced that it does not exist, then you will not only have led a very interesting and - I think - worthy life, but you will feel within yourself that you lived your life nobly, and you will be entitled to feel well at peace with yourself.
4. Therefore, I encourage you - en-courage you - to stay, and to discover what you can discover here.
my very best wishes for your quest
David