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This is an amazing video. I'd heard that George Bush signed a document protecting Al Qaeda and keeping FBI agents from arresting them. Why do you suppose most Americans ignore that act of treason and support him?
Time for Americans to OPEN YOUR EYES!
EDIT: This video will give you the truth about the America's government involvement. This is very important for all peoples of the world to see.
Originally posted by ArrakisYou better let THIS one go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWh077_Ed3w
This is an amazing video. I'd heard that George Bush signed a document protecting Al Qaeda and keeping FBI agents from arresting them. Why do you suppose most Americans ignore that act of treason and support him?
Time for Americans to OPEN YOUR EYES!
EDIT: This video will give you the truth about the America's government involvement. This is very important for all peoples of the world to see.
~Baby Bush
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Originally posted by ArrakisThat's a very biased view of the last discussion. It was everyone telling you were wrong and providing detailed rebuttal to the stupidity of the "documentary" and you sticking your fingers in your ears and singing.
I brought it up 6 months ago in the debate sub. I believe the documentary but the Bush lovers don't. 😲
I'm not a Bush lover by any stretch of imagination but Loose Change is utter crap.
EDIT: In response to the video at this top of this page:
Originally posted by XanthosNZI feel that people should be exposed to the truth. It's up to them to decide what they want to do after they see the facts.
That's a very biased view of the last discussion. It was everyone telling you were wrong and providing detailed rebuttal to the stupidity of the "documentary" and you sticking your fingers in your ears and singing.
I'm not a Bush lover by any stretch of imagination but Loose Change is utter crap.
EDIT: In response to the video at this top of this page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk
Cheers
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Originally posted by ArrakisWhat did you do after you saw the fact that Loose Change is utter crap? After every single point it makes was dissected and turned out to be a mixture of vague theories, incorrect assertions and misrepresentations of fact?
I feel that people should be exposed to the truth. It's up to them to decide what they want to do after they see the facts.
Cheers
Originally posted by XanthosNZNow you sound just like all the other Bush lovers. I always gave you credit that you could see for yourself what is really going on. But alas, you are entitled to believe whatever you like my friend.
What did you do after you saw the fact that Loose Change is utter crap? After every single point it makes was dissected and turned out to be a mixture of vague theories, incorrect assertions and misrepresentations of fact?
Originally posted by ArrakisAnswer the crapping question. Or did you not read anything that was posted last time you posted this crappy video?
Now you sound just like all the other Bush lovers. I always gave you credit that you could see for yourself what is really going on. But alas, you are entitled to believe whatever you like my friend.
Originally posted by XanthosNZWhoa! Since when do you tell me what to do? As in NEVER...
Answer the crapping question. Or did you not read anything that was posted last time you posted this crappy video?
You are completely in error when you say that "what did you do when..." because you see, the mistake is on your part for accepting a special document 'released and paid for' by the Bush administration!
Ya know, you are a pretty smart guy so I can't understand why you are allowing yourself to be taken in like this. I know you personally hate my guts, but you have to be bigger than that. You owe it to yourself and everybody who follows you to NOT be taken in by the American government.
Originally posted by ArrakisWhat document released by the Bush administration am I believing? The 9/11 report? I haven't even read it. If you'll actually bother to look into it you'd know there's more than enough independent information out there to discount Loose Change. You could even listen to one of the creators:
Whoa! Since when do you tell me what to do? As in NEVER...
You are completely in error when you say that "what did you do when..." because you see, the mistake is on your part for accepting a special document 'released and paid for' by the Bush administration!
Ya know, you are a pretty smart guy so I can't understand why you are allowing yourself to be ...[text shortened]... it to yourself and everybody who follows you to NOT be taken in by the American government.
"I would be the first to admit that our film definitely contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims, and it does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts."
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? Do you want some blatent falsehood? How about:
* The New York's Empire State Building was not hit by a B-52 in 1945, but rather a B-25 Mitchell which is less than one-third the size of a B-52. (the first prototype B-52 would not fly for another seven years)
* The suggestion that $167 billion in gold was stored in vaults beneath the World Trade Center was removed as it exceeded the entire amount of U.S. gold reserves by approximately $67 billion. The "$230 million in precious metals" stored at the WTC complex were in fact recovered.
* Loose Change implies 757's only have Pratt & Whitney engines made of steel and titanium alloy, when in fact the engines used in Flight 77 are Rolls-Royce engines. Bollyn, an American Free Press reporter whom Loose Change references got the incorrect information from a factory in Indiana which makes engines for smaller aircraft; rather than the companies in Quebec and Derby that overhaul the 757 engines.
(wikipedia)
These were present in the First Edition and are indicitive of amateur analysis and fact finding. These faults have been fixed but who knows how many are still there.
Have you watched the subtitled version?
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
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Originally posted by CritaI am not a civil engineer (nor a stuctural engineer) however I am a chartered surveyor who has in the past discussed the design of many stuctural engineer's designs in order to try and reduce any over designed structure to reduce the cost of a building project for the client. I would have been astonished if the structure would have withstood the impact of the floors crashing down. They are not designed to withstand such a force. The floors above would have collapsed because the plane would have taken out a lot of columns and beams and the fire would have eventually got to the structure not damaged by the impact, which was working all the harder given that some of the structure had been detsroyed/compromised. I do not have experience on such high rise buildings as this (ie what grade of fire protection would have been there), but all fire protection is graded on time that it will resist certain temperatures so it will not last forever, and this would have been an exceptionally hot fire (not your average fire in a building I would say).
Unfortunately, I don't know any civil engineers.......they're all rude! ha ha ha. Sorry, bad joke.
But seriously, are you saying that it's possible it was just the fire from the plane that caused the collapse? I'm not an engineer, so it was merely a notion of mine that there should have been some resistance from the steel supports.
Like I said before, I uy into the conspiracy stuff, but I don't think it's as clear cut as the government says.
Originally posted by XanthosNZYou should be ashamed of yourself. You obviously didn't watch the entire video of Loose Change and you certainly didn't watch the extra features where they give you much more information, As usual, you refuse to accept the facts.
What document released by the Bush administration am I believing? The 9/11 report? I haven't even read it. If you'll actually bother to look into it you'd know there's more than enough independent information out there to discount Loose Change. You could even listen to one of the creators:
"I would be the first to admit that our film definitely containe ...[text shortened]... ll there.
Have you watched the subtitled version?
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
Originally posted by ArrakisYou don't appear to actually be addressing anything raised in this thread.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You obviously didn't watch the entire video of Loose Change and you certainly didn't watch the extra features where they give you much more information, As usual, you refuse to accept the facts.
Originally posted by CritaIn fact there is a differnce between static and kinematic forces.
While I don't agree with the stuff they are putting forward (eg the US firing a missile at the Pentagon) I do (and did at the time) find it odd that the two buildings would collapse as they did.
The 2nd tower (one that collapsed first) fell at a speed that suggested there was hardly any resistance to it. Even if the fire caused by the plane melted the steel ...[text shortened]... did?
Not saying it's a conspiracy theory or something, but it doesn't quite add up for me.
Easy experiment: Get a cardboard box and a heavy hammer.
1. Put the hammer on the box gingerly and nothing would happen, since the force can be endured by the cardboard walls.
2. Remove the hammer and swing it high to bring it down. Most probably there will be some damage to the cardboard box, even though the hammer still have the same weight.
Difficult experiment: Build a structure from wood plates stacke over each other separated by four toothpicks each at the corners. (with a bit of patience you can built several layers).
2. remove one of the top ones very fast Probaly the whole structure will collapse VERY fast.
Now the weight of several etages came down once the structure gave way and this is a BIG hammer blow....
* Note: steel beams cracking under stress will make sounds alike artillery fire.