31 Aug 09
yeah, I noticed. and it's not that marvel put out anything that special before, but there sure isn't going to be anything worthwhile coming out anymore.
any idea if there are any significant marvel offshoots going the way of the dodo as well? I've never really bothered to keep on top of which one of the big guys owns vertigo etc...
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by wormwood"and it's not that marvel put out anything that special before"
yeah, I noticed. and it's not that marvel put out anything that special before, but there sure isn't going to be anything worthwhile coming out anymore.
any idea if there are any significant marvel offshoots going the way of the dodo as well? I've never really bothered to keep on top of which one of the big guys owns vertigo etc...
Say what? Spiderman, Xmen, Avengers, etc. etc. were a huge part of my childhood. I didn't even look at a DC comic until Dark Knight Returns. Or are you speaking in the short term?
Marvel invented the crossover and brought an edge to mainstream comics in the 70s.
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by darvlay"The Beyonder" series changed my life dude....
"and it's not that marvel put out anything that special before"
Say what? Spiderman, Xmen, Avengers, etc. etc. were a huge part of my childhood. I didn't even look at a DC comic until Dark Knight Returns. Or are you speaking in the short term?
Marvel invented the crossover and brought an edge to mainstream comics in the 70s.
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by wormwoodMarvel had a very small outfit similar to Vertigo that never put out anything worthwhile.
any idea if there are any significant marvel offshoots going the way of the dodo as well? I've never really bothered to keep on top of which one of the big guys owns vertigo etc...
Vertigo is owned by DC.
DC is arguably putting out the better material these days although I still maintain that their characters are weak.
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by darvlayLate 80's early 90's Marvel did a lot of "charachter developement" that I liked, especially with the different incarnations of the hulk and the personality fusion of David Banner with the hulk, cool stuff.
Marvel had a very small outfit similar to Vertigo that never put out anything worthwhile.
Vertigo is owned by DC.
DC is arguably putting out the better material these days although I still maintain that their characters are weak.
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by darvlaymy dad just brought me some old x-men I left when I moved out. from years 84/85/86. 🙂 also a spiderman special from 84.
"and it's not that marvel put out anything that special before"
Say what? Spiderman, Xmen, Avengers, etc. etc. were a huge part of my childhood. I didn't even look at a DC comic until Dark Knight Returns. Or are you speaking in the short term?
Marvel invented the crossover and brought an edge to mainstream comics in the 70s.
I know what you mean, I grew up on the same stuff myself. but dude, have you taken a look at how horribly bad almost every single one those old ones are? if not, don't do it! it'll ruin the golden memories.
and lets not even mention the new stuff, like the new avengers or x-men of today.
that said, I'm no dc fanatic or anything, I was just thinking whether something really good will disappear along the disneyfication of marvel, something I haven't even realized yet. luckily I'm drawing a blank on that department so far. I mean, what if something equal to sandman gets butchered by 'disney values'?
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by wormwood"I grew up on the same stuff myself. but dude, have you taken a look at how horribly bad almost every single one those old ones are? if not, don't do it! it'll ruin the golden memories.
my dad just brought me some old x-men I left when I moved out. from years 84/85/86. 🙂 also a spiderman special from 84.
I know what you mean, I grew up on the same stuff myself. but dude, have you taken a look at how horribly bad almost every single one those old ones are? if not, don't do it! it'll ruin the golden memories.
and lets not even mention ...[text shortened]... ent so far. I mean, what if something equal to sandman gets butchered by 'disney values'?
and lets not even mention the new stuff, like the new avengers or x-men of today."
Sorry pal. We'll have to agree to disagree. I have been back to the oldies frequently over the decades. They don't lose anything in my opinion. And I am quite the fan of many modern storylines as well. New Avengers is one and the Grant Morrison New Xmen was another.
I also think the Sandman is crap.
31 Aug 09
Originally posted by darvlaysounds like disney acquired marvel to get the rights to make movies based on marvel comics. How can that be a bad thing? Many people are banking on 3D movies to be massive soon. Cartoons are ideal for 3D.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200908311309DOWJONESDJONLINE000226_FORTUNE5.htm
Does this mean X-Men/Mickey and the Gang crossovers in the future?
Anyone seen the previews for AVATAR yet? 300+million done by James Cameron i think.
Originally posted by uzlessBecause:
sounds like disney acquired marvel to get the rights to make movies based on marvel comics. How can that be a bad thing? Many people are banking on 3D movies to be massive soon. Cartoons are ideal for 3D.
Anyone seen the previews for AVATAR yet? 300+million done by James Cameron i think.
1) Every animated movie aimed at over 10s, which Disney have made in the last 30 years, with the exception of the Incredibles and the questionable notion of Pixar releases, has been utter trash. Everything Disney touches is tainted by a bullsh.. vision of what art is in their twisted ego-trip.
2) 3D movies have been massive for years, and the trend of increased 3D usage has been correlated with a decrease in story quality. People go and see flims for the monsters, the special effects etc. No longer are we that concerned so much with story or even acting depth, which is why movies like Titanic and Transformers pull so much money. The rise in the need for the technical frameworks and render factories required to build these films has lead in part to a rise in ticket prices.
3)Cartoons are not ideal for 3D anymore than any other visual media might be, in fact possibly less. What you're doing is turning the art inherrant in the artists character designs and panel choices into characatures which resemble not the original drawings but real life's notion of the drawings, i.e. you remove the point of having the artist in the first place. You then destroy his visual direction by making the images move and finally you change the format by collecting what is intended to be a chapter based weekly or monthly release into a single unending story which holds no place for consideration or subtlety since now everyone will be going to see the special effects and 3D monsters.
4) The Avatar trailer is a perfect example of what I'm talking about $300+ million for a venture which is a self-effacing circle jerk between Cameron's ego and his inability to appreciate real life, preferring instead to pursue an increasingly artificial world with every movie and every increasing budget.