Originally posted by GottschalkUnfortunately, you're too right.
"She paints her eyes as black as night, now
Pulls those shades down tight
Yeah, she gives a smile when the pain comes,
The pain’s gonna make everything alright
Says she talks to angels,
They call her out by her name."
-- Black Crowes
Princess, you have lost it.
About 200 pages ago, you started in on no1, saying that he doesn't understand diplo ...[text shortened]... own this path and he still is what he is. It's just that you are what he is, too, now.
All this has taught me that I simply don't have the selfishness, the meanness of spirit, the cruelty or the cold-bloodedness that this game requires. It hurts me too much, and it's twisted me. The final straw came when 2 players said they were going to help me and gave me some hope, and then refused me the only thing I needed to start to turn it all around to a road leading to some kind of recovery, a comeback if you will. Now it's impossible (well, unknown to me, it was impossible before because they never intended to help me, but now I *know* it's impossible), so I'm done. It's over for me, finished. I gave my word I would not quit, and unlike a lot of people in this game, my word means something, so I'll see it through to the end, which I will do my best to make as soon as possible, and then, perhaps, I can repair the damage all this has done to my soul.
Thanks for your concern (if it is concern, and not just more laughter), and I'm pretty sure you mean well (it could be yet another ruse, but I don't care if it is). I am sorry if I've hurt anyone by my words the way they've hurt me. I know you and some others won't believe me, but I'm finally done. I'm a bit less innocent than when I started this game, but a lot of that is my own fault. Some of you have shown me some kindness, and for that I truly thank you; I think you know who you are. The rest of you can go ahead and laugh it up at my expense now, or whatever it is you want to do. Have fun.
Finis and Farewell.
Originally posted by SuzianneHang in there Princess. From what I've read, it's still possible to come back or at least, last the course.
Unfortunately, you're too right.
All this has taught me that I simply don't have the selfishness, the meanness of spirit, the cruelty or the cold-bloodedness that this game requires. It hurts me too much, and it's twisted me. The final straw came when 2 players said they were going to help me and gave me some hope, and then refused me the only thing I ...[text shortened]... expense now, or whatever it is you want to do. Have fun.
Finis and Farewell.
Originally posted by SuzianneI don't think you have to be that type of person to play this game, but you have to be prepared to play with those that are. Lest anyone think I am letting myself off the hook, I would say I am guilty of two of those four things on a fairly regular basis in this game -- selfishness and cold-bloodedness (although I wouldn't call it that).
All this has taught me that I simply don't have the selfishness, the meanness of spirit, the cruelty or the cold-bloodedness that this game requires.
As for selfishness, I don't typically make moves for the benefit of another realm unless they also benefit me. As for cold-bloodedness, I have no problem attacking a realm if it is in my best interest to do so.
I can see where this game would not be for everybody. My wife for example would not fare well in this type of atmosphere. She's a much nicer person than I am, though. On the other hand, she seems to get a real kick out of some of the things that go on in this game (and on this forum); she just would not be able to bring herself to do any of them.
I hope you're not just painting all of the rest of us as selfish, mean, cruel or cold-blooded because of your negative experience in this game just because we may appear to be better suited to this game. That would be, well, mean and cruel at least.
I do not dare to speak for no1, but my guess is that what is keeping him playing this game is one of two things -- or a combination of them -- a very strong sense of competition and his solid alliance with Sicily. One of the best experiences I had in this game was when an alliance of mine stuck together and lost against some terrific odds.
As to my motivation for writing my last message to you -- your posts made me sad. I could not imagine anyone enjoying writing the things you were writing to so many people. If you aren't enjoying it, stop. I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the posts. Don't write them and don't read them.
Originally posted by GottschalkWhenever I see your name I imagine a magazine ad where some celebrity is holding a big piece of white chalk and is applying it like lipstick. The area around their mouth is covered with messy chalk, and below the caption reads, "Got Chalk?"
I don't think you have to be that type of person to play this game, but you have to be prepared to play with those that are. Lest anyone think I am letting myself off the hook, I would say I am guilty of two of those four things on a fairly regular basis in this game -- selfishness and cold-bloodedness (although I wouldn't call it that).
As for selfis ...[text shortened]... ng about the game, I'm talking about the posts. Don't write them and don't read them.
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Originally posted by eagles54How now, wool-sack, what mutter you?
Do you set down your name in the scroll of youth, that are written down old with all the characters of age? Have you not a moist eye, a dry hand, a yellow cheek, a white beard, a decreasing leg, an increasing belly? Is not your voice broken, your wind short, your chin double, your wit single, and every part about you blasted with antiquity? And will you yet call yourself Young?
Thou qualling hedge-born nut-hook! Thou saucy fool-born clack-dish! Thou crusty botch of nature! Thou fusty beef-witted pumpion!!!!!!
[You] live in the rank sweat of an enseamed bed, Stew'd in corruption, honeying and making love ove the nasty sty! [Thou art] as loathsome as a toad!!!!!!
Be put in a cauldron of lead and usurer's grease, amongst a whole million of cutpurses, and there boil like a gammon of bacon that will never be enough.
[Your] brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage.
Your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are Pompey the Great.
Oops. Ignore that last one.
Now then.
Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swollen parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloak-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with pudding in his belly, that reverend vice, that grey Iniquity, that father ruffian, that vanity in years? Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon!
Originally posted by GottschalkIf there were some sort of automated process by which the formula was calculated, then all these things wouldn't be much more work. You just program them in and let the program do the calculations. However I suspect no1 is doing everything manually in which case you have a point.
Gold earnings are only an indicator of what a realm could spend on the things (ships, troops, other annexations, etc.) that realms use to gain provinces. I would love to see this listed as a separate item, too, but factoring it in to some formula would be more work for very little benefit, I imagine.
Also, commanders have an effect on troop performance. Factoring that in would be a real problem.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWould be neat if the guys who ran the game could update the program to spit info like this out. A nice little "Power Ratings" section you could sort different ways, and an overall.
If there were some sort of automated process by which the formula was calculated, then all these things wouldn't be much more work. You just program them in and let the program do the calculations. However I suspect no1 is doing everything manually in which case you have a point.
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Originally posted by SuziannePlease prove this slander (that is, reproduce a PM in which I promised you land of any kind) or be so good as to apologise, for you are talking as though you've become a stranger to reason.
It's not you I blame so much as Aragon. I spent several long PMs explaining to him that I'm not going to be strung along only to be killed off at his leisure. He said he understood my position and assured me this wouldn't happen. Well, I guess I was right after all, and shame on me for being fooled twice. Be assured it won't happen again.
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Originally posted by GottschalkI don't feel any need to justify my posts in this thread. I thought that it would make the game a bit more interesting and fun to have some goading and taunting here. None of what went on here has changed or affected my strategy one bit; whether people here want to believe it or not, I don't take internet games personally. Every move I have made has been based on giving myself the best chance of winning under the circumstances I have had to play under.
I don't think you have to be that type of person to play this game, but you have to be prepared to play with those that are. Lest anyone think I am letting myself off the hook, I would say I am guilty of two of those four things on a fairly regular basis in this game -- selfishness and cold-bloodedness (although I wouldn't call it that).
As for selfis ng about the game, I'm talking about the posts. Don't write them and don't read them.
I had a realm that two realms decided to move aggressively against from turn 1. I do not think that any Venice player would allow Arles to seize Lombardy adjacent from Venice and Bavaria to move into Carinthia with strong forces AND move their fleet into the Adriatric without moving against both of them. Contrary to what Princess Dimwit says (and she would have no way of knowing), I spent a lot of time in diplomatic negotiations with many of the realms here. Decisions were made to support certain realms and not others by other players. So long as those decisions were reasonably rational, I haven't had much to say except within game goading ( for example, Hungary's decision to back Bavaria rather than Venice was logical - though a contrary decision would have been just as logical if not more so - but Poland's decision to lose Boyar Guards rather than 1 Bavarian Peasant Rabble is not). Moves which have seemed irrational have been called out here and 99% poorly answered; some people have forgot the title of the thread.
Suzianne has taken the game personal and that is ridiculous. It is fairly obvious that I'm about to be taken out in this game, but I don't take it as a personal affront. It's a war game and one that happens to be reliant to a large extent on what others do. I never expected that anybody else would play the game with an object contrary to their own self-interest; I tried to convince others that their self-interest coincided with mine. In that I appear to have been unsuccessful, but no one has given a reasoned critique of how I could have done things better without stooping to attacks on my out of game character (which should be irrelevant).
I started the game and I'll finish it. It still gives me satisfaction that though I have no hope of surviving, I can still help in outmanuevering and destroying the forces of my vastly superior enemies (as I, Sicily and the Mamulukes did in the Adriatric last turn). Also it's useful to me to gain game experience in the system. These games have peculiar quirks (like any game does) and the more you play it, the better you get at it.
I still like posting and I still like playing the game. If people have lost their fragile grip on sanity because of a war game and the posts concerning it, that's pitiful. Some really need to get a grip; either enjoy it or don't play it and certainly don't post if you can't take it. I feel sorry for kids with cancer, but not for grown ups acting like idiots over an internet war game. My heart doesn't break because Suzianne hasn't found happiness in MD II though if that's where she's primarily looking for it she has my pity.
Originally posted by rwingettEdvard Munch loved the stuff. The Scream was his failed attempt at breaking into glamour advertising.
Whenever I see your name I imagine a magazine ad where some celebrity is holding a big piece of white chalk and is applying it like lipstick. The area around their mouth is covered with messy chalk, and below the caption reads, "Got Chalk?"
Originally posted by no1marauderGiven that annexation affects income significantly, I would have a rating for each - annexed and non-annexed.
Perhaps we can all be a bit more constructive; I've been thinking how I can redo the Power Ratings to make them more accurate. Right now it's based on 5 categories with a realm's ranking in each multiplied by a certain factor for each as follows:
Province Gold Value: 5
Land Combat Strength: 4
Land Hit Points: 3
Naval Combat Strength: 2
Naval Hit P ...[text shortened]... y wants to give any thoughts, please feel free. Specific suggestions would be appreciated.
I also think that overall strength would better be measured with a split in the troops and fleet ratings. One for expendable troops/ships and one for longterm troops/ships (i.e. - Peasant Rabble/Militia vs Mercenaries/Imperial Guards) Based on what I have read in the yahoo MD2 forum, the amount of longterm troops you have has a significant impact on your overall power/strength in the game.
This does complicate the process a bit and make it harder for the one doing the ratings, but would make it a more accurate rating structure.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI've explained my reasons to you in a PM. Please stick to PMs as I'm not posting in this forum any longer, as I said. Thanks.
Please prove this slander (that is, reproduce a PM in which I promised you land of any kind) or be so good as to apologise, for you are talking as though you've become a stranger to reason.
Originally posted by SuzianneYou slander him in public and leave the thread? Nice hit and run. You're going to PM it to him now? That's like getting a letter from the editor saying he was wrong in the news paper, but won't print it in the paper.
I've explained my reasons to you in a PM. Please stick to PMs as I'm not posting in this forum any longer, as I said. Thanks.
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